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Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

If the kind of change Trump supporters are looking for does come, I suspect they will find that they have plenty more to lose. But, for the time being, it seems to feel good to many people in this country to make emphatic, "in your face" statements which promote the idea that a crass, unstable real estate developer will magically be able to solve all our problems as a nation. It is deeply troubling.

College educated, credentialed t​eachers who are choosing not to work in their profession because it does not pay a professional wage comparable to what they can earn in other professions ​requiring college degrees ​-- and there are thousands like this in the state now, more than enough to fill all the vacant positions currently filled by insufficiently qualified substitutes -- are not like Washington insiders who don't want to give up their unreasonably inflated salaries. They are people who could be doing the next generation a valuable and much-needed service, but ​who are unable or unwilling​​, quite reasonably, to provide that service at far below what is reasonable compensation for work requiring that much up-front investment in the education required to qualify. ​​

In a context where the cost of college tuition has risen more than 300% in the last 30 years, education professionals, like other members of the college educated middle class, have to be prepared to pay back their own educational loans and to pay a small fortune to educate their own children.

Because t​here are ​so ​many people ​in this state ​who don't think their own children are worth the investment it actually takes to maintain fully qualified professionals in K-12 schools​, many of our Arizona teaching professionals have to work in other fields in order to be able to afford to fully educate their own children. A sad irony.

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Posted by Clearer Understanding Needed on 08/26/2016 at 7:00 AM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

No it isn't. You sound just like Washington insiders opposing Donald Trump to preserve their income. Had enough, and we have nothing more to lose. Change is coming.

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Posted by Tony V on 08/25/2016 at 8:20 PM

Re: “World View Case Moves Forward After Motion Denied

Yes they did.

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Posted by Debbi L on 08/25/2016 at 8:17 PM

Re: “Crooked Teeth and a New Brewery

I'm looking forward to the opening day as well! :)

Posted by jonralston on 08/25/2016 at 7:41 PM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

Huppenthal and / or whoever may be commenting under jhuppent@hotmail.com:

Motivation is important. Student and parent engagement are important.

Employing professional teachers who have an ACCURATE understanding of how learning works and what the best methods are in each of the subject areas is also critically important, and, as I have pointed out before, when you pay professionals with college degrees (and many of them with master's degrees) in their fields the paltry "salaries" they are paid in this state, you will not be able to retain the kind of professional educators that can most benefit students in Arizona classrooms.

Decision makers in the field of education in this state seem to believe it is possible to go back to how the profession was managed before educated women had other professional opportunities. These days, women are not constrained to "teacher, nurse, or secretary." The unavailability of other options (and the fact that most teachers were women whose husbands were the main wage earners in their families) is what kept salaries in the profession depressed for so long. These days, if you want to retain the most qualified people in the profession, you have to compete with salaries in medicine, law, business.

A friends knows of former classmates at the University of Vermont College of Education, where she got her teaching credentials, who after a couple of decades in the teaching profession are making over $100K per year. Teaching in Tucson, this woman is making $40-something K with the same number of years of experience.

If you're so interested in free market models perhaps you should do a little more research in the area of human resources and human capital. Paying teachers as little as we do is destroying our education system in this state.

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Posted by Clearer Understanding Needed on Both Sides of Fence on 08/25/2016 at 4:39 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Wow, talk about taking my words and twisting them into your ignorant form.

You are a gift Wrong, Again. The same kind of gift someone stuffs in a paper bag, lights up on a porch, does a "ding-dong ditch" with and then hightails themselves outta sight.

Too bad you'll never be human enough to understand anything.

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 08/25/2016 at 3:15 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Have a nice day.

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Posted by What is this town thinking? on 08/25/2016 at 3:12 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

I agree with ac/dc- there is a strong sense of communism in Tucson.

Make Arizona Mexico Again! It's working so well for Tucson, commit all Arizona to poverty so the losers will 'feel good'.

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Posted by What, Again on 08/25/2016 at 3:04 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Speaking of smart phones, I really wanted to edit my most recent post...but my phone vexed me!

"...what Tucson has to offer ON." Really?!

D'oh!

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 08/25/2016 at 3:00 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Clown:

Who says I'm not out enjoying what Tucson has to offer on? There's this new technology called a smart phone. Get your head out from down below before you suffocate.

Sure, Tucson has fat cats, but there is definitely more of a sense of community in this town than Maricopa County could even imagine. Around here, it's more of a team effort; up there, it's all about me and what I can do for myself.

And do you believe that Maricopa County doesn't have their fair share of poor people? Please, remove the blinders before it's too late.

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 08/25/2016 at 2:54 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

What exactly are you promoting? You talk about trolls or trolling, but when I look at your comments, you are the one doing the trolling. If Tucson were perfect why waste your time coming here? Get out and enjoy it. Insulting others serves little or no purpose. Why be content with accomplishing little? Many of us are struggling and choose not to live in Phoenix. Tucson has it's fat cats and they like it just the way it is. Cheap labor and little progress. Why is that?

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Posted by What is this town thinking? on 08/25/2016 at 2:42 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

What is this clown thinking?:

Obviously, you're not familiar with Wrong, Again and his history of posting flat-out nonsense on this site...or you're him doubling-down on the trollness (is this a word?) he/you (?) specializes in. It's hard to tell if either of you are actually different people because neither of you have the stones to establish an account on this site.

Wrong, Again ALWAYS blames the "illegals" and the "evil liberals" for everything he sees wrong with Arizona. He, like yourself, thinks that Phoenix is "light years" (Ha Ha Ha Ha!) ahead. Sure, they have an edge on Tucson in certain ways, but not because of the foolish reasons Wrong, Again or yourself may see as the "truth".

Open your eyes, or if you're like or if you are Wrong, Again...get your head out of your nether regions. Phoenix and the surrounding areas get more work done with AZDOT and with business opportunities because that's the area where most of the greedy fat cats who stuff the politicians' pockets reside. It's been that way for a long time, so it's time for you short-sighted trolls to notice it.

Bonus!: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Eglgj77T0rk

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 08/25/2016 at 2:37 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Thanks AZ/DC because I also believe what whatagain stated. To think anything else would be folly. Just look at what they do and don't do. Phoenix is light years ahead. They have higher home values and lower property taxes. We have been forced to try to develop a future by isolating ourselves from reality.

Your post accomplished nothing but name calling.

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Posted by What is this town thinking? on 08/25/2016 at 1:58 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

The false facts that Wrong, Again actually believes + The nonsense that he actually bothers to post = Dumbshit

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 08/25/2016 at 1:23 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

Weird. Forbes has rated the Phoenix Metro area as their #1 city in winning the tech job growth outside of the Bay Area/Silicon Valley. This includes, from their data, a 39.29% increase in these jobs from 2010-2016. It also includes a growth rate in this sector of 7.51% for just 2015. That 39.29% growth is the 3rd highest in the nation.

Since 2000 the tech sector has grown by 78% in the Phoenix metro area.

Why the discrepancy? This might have to do with how we define a geographic area or we define tech sector jobs. We all know that from common sense 'Phoenix' also includes the cities around it like Mesa, Tempe, Glendale, Scottsdale, etc. You can get any kind of result you want by selectively removing these parts of the metro Phoenix area from the equation. Your data comes from the NYTimes, who took it from Moodys, and did not provide a link. So it is impossible to see how they defined their geographies or the 'tech sector'.

I don't disagree with your premise that these companies are moving to Phoenix because of the cost of living, that is a big part of it among many others, but this really is just a sad hit piece on Phoenix, and you can't even do the slightest research of your own! That makes this another piece of evidence highlighting your superior skills as a hack David. Keep it up!

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Posted by HumanBean on 08/25/2016 at 12:09 PM

Re: “Silicon Valley Businesses Move to Phoenix—Because It's Cheaper

No amount of tax dollars confiscated by Tucson liberals will ever increase business given the rabid hatred for corporations and radical environmentalist anti-growth policies.

The Phoenix area spent billions building a world class road system, freeways, and it's paying off big time. Tucson spent hundreds of millions deliberately NOT building roads.

No growth = no jobs = no future.

Why won't Tucson liberals ever accept responsibility for their total control over the last 30 years? And why do liberals like this blogger who have absolutely no business education credentials nor work experience continue to think they know anything about economics?

And when will Tucson hold Tom Volgy responsible for killing commercial air traffic in Tucson when he gave away exclusive rights to the Tucson-Phoenix route?

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Posted by What, Again on 08/25/2016 at 11:53 AM

Re: “K12 Inc. Steps Up Its Ad Blitz

It's August 2016 and the ads are incessant on NYC TV stations.

This is what making schools think like businesses lead to. Welcome to the ultimate charter school: no buildings, few expenses.

But if you're like Teeny above who thinks these charters can't last, John Oliver's expose on charter schools nationwide. Unless you admire the operators whose fiduciary (legal) responsibility is to the shareholders, and only the shareholders.

Posted by Gnostradamus on 08/25/2016 at 11:31 AM

Re: “The New York Times is Telling the Story of How Tucson Became an 'Unlikely Food Star'

Excellent! My pale blue Torino was a 1970! hahahaha

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Posted by Driving Range on 08/25/2016 at 10:51 AM

Re: “What John Oliver Said About Charter Schools

To: Clearer understanding

You comment points out the paradox of measurement. If you are running a high quality education system, test scores will go up. Yet, at a classroom, school and district level, focusing on test scores does not produce a high quality system. After 40 years of getting the system to become ever more and more focused on test scores the bankruptcy of that approach couldn't be clearer.

Learning is all about motivation. The unmotivated brain literally can not learn. And, motivation is all about emotion. Measuring motivation or derivatives of motivation is the future of education. That is why I advocate measuring parent, teacher and student perception of excellence.

Gallup has developed an amazing "Hope Engagement and Well Being" question set. Teach Like a Champion also has an amazing question set.

When I was on a school board, I chose a more laser like approach - one question. "Please rate the quality of education your child is receiving." for parents with a scale starting at "Outstanding". Nationwide, about 9% of parents rate the quality of education their child is receiving as outstanding, a higher standard than excellence. People get very uncomfortable when the quality of what they are doing is rated at 9% and as a result of that discomfort, they begin to change i..e Improve.

Most school districts interpret their parent satisfaction surveys in a way that validates current practices (TUSD) and as a result, produce no change. The current percentage of parents rating their child's school excellent nationwide is 24%, 1 point away from the lowest level in 47 years.

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Posted by jhuppent@hotmail.com on 08/25/2016 at 9:54 AM

Re: “The New York Times is Telling the Story of How Tucson Became an 'Unlikely Food Star'

We have the very best food this side of the border. I have lived here since May of 1972. My husband and I drove 5 & 1/2 days, across the United States, from Rockford, Illinois. The temperatures were 22 below zero, the last February we were there! We looked at each other and said Let's get the hell out of HERE! So we packed up a few of my Son's toys, a few dishes, and clothes. Piled up in our year old pale blue 1971 FORD TORINO, my Son was teething, the entire trip, (no car seats back then I held him in my lap! ) and headed out West, and never looked back. The first food we had was Taco Bell. Lol over time my husband, self-taught Chef, made the most elaborate meals of Mexican cuisine! Every holiday was a feast. I became a Baker at a local hospital, between the two of us, as our Family expanded, the meals were shared with friends, from my Husband's School where he taught Art. Everyone remembers the lavish meals we produced. Sheldon Lee Koester, was a teacher at Drachman Primary Magnet School and taught for 18 years before he passed away on Cinco De Mayo, 2000. We came here for his health, and I have NEVER regretted choosing Tucson over Phoenix. the Sonoran Desert is the most beautiful place in Arizona! Sheldon loved his new home here. he worked with all of his new found friends, through the parents, teachers and students in The BARRIO. We love the culture, and pleasant ways of all the people we love and Tucson is such a friendly place. not too long ago, I lived in Phoenix for 5 months, uh, it cannot hold a candle to us!!! My husband used to frequent the restaurants, bakeries around the downtown area, have lunch dates with all his fellow colleagues, and he is truly missed. NO, I would never trade our triple digits for that Chicago weather with it's 40 degrees below zero with the wind chill factor, !!! Tucson is my permanent home!!!

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Posted by horsesrmi on 08/25/2016 at 9:45 AM

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