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Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

For a Jew like kwasman making mistakes off those poor children,.is soooo bad what can we spected from in omly discrimination,.like Israel agains the Palestinans,. donot vote 4 hin

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Posted by Robin Roy Aranibar on 07/16/2014 at 11:52 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

I stand by my statement....and acknowledge yours.

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Posted by Harold R. Simpson on 07/16/2014 at 11:38 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

Gee Harold, what a nice non answer reply. You do a wonderful job of avoiding any of my factual assertions in order to stubbornly cling to your talking points. And as a bonus, you put words in my mouth and claim I said something that I didn't say. While you're at it, maybe you can help me and show me where I ever said the GOP was responsible for a 1942 executive order or for the Japanese internment camps or for the plight of Chinese immigrants. Could you pretty please point out in any of my posts where I said those things? Please be specific and point to the words or phrase you are referring to. I'll wait...

See Harold, that is what is commonly known as a straw man argument and they are both tedious and lame, yet you chose to go that route in lieu of any sort of cogent response rebutting anything I said with facts. I also couldn't help but notice how you intentionally ignored much of what I posted about the sordid history of xenophobia in this country. BTW, I have no intention of chauffeuring you to the border. There's a much quicker and easier way to ascertain that everything I said is true. Just open a new browser tab and navigate to The Google and start querying away- it's all there in black and white. Besides, those of us in the reality based world fully understand that data trumps anecdote. If you want to head down to Nogales and stare at 10 ft section of the border fence for 20 minutes before you get back in your car and drive home to breathlessly report your experience, knock yourself out, but don't think for a second that your anecdotal experience will trump the mountains of statistical data out there. You did get one thing right though, if you think that your heap of dissembling and evasion was going to pass muster you really aren't that smart.

I can already see you feverishly erecting that next straw man, so I'll save you the trouble. I said that the border is more secure than ever and that deportations are up and overall undocumented immigrant levels are historically low. This is all true and verifiable. I did not, however, say that the border is 100% secure, so don't bother claiming I did. In fact it is not, nor will it ever be. It's quite impossible to completely 100% secure the border- even if we spent our entire national budget trying and lined up National Guard with their arms linked across the entire 3000 mile stretch. Our border is not perfect by any means, but it's more than secure enough- the very fact that we are talking about 50,000 kids apprehended rather than 50,000 kids running amok makes that fact self evident. Our problem isn't a porous border, it's an overload of detainees and lack of facilities and personnel to process them before we send them home. Besides, this whole line of argument ignores the fact that roughly 40% of our undocumented immigrants didn't actually sneak across the desert; many of them are from other parts of the world and many of them entered legally and simply overstayed their visas. But if it makes you feel better, feel free to walk around muttering "build the dang fence" like a senile old John McCain.

The reason I addressed the Tea Party is not that I think they hold some sort of a monopoly on intolerance and xenophobia, far from it- bigotry comes in all shapes and sizes and there are plenty of Dems or independents who are xenophobic. But the Tea Party represents the only real organized group of like minded people with the political clout to gum up the works and prevent any progress from being made. There's a bi-partisan Senate bill that has enough votes from a coalition of moderate Republicans and Democrats to pass the House right now, but John Boehner won't allow it on the floor because he is scared to death of the TP. These foaming at the mouth extremists refuse to compromise, refuse to negotiate, refuse to even listen. You carp about finding solutions, but it's pretty hard to have a meaningful conversation when one party stonewalls and won't engage. These people are so pumped up on a toxic stew of Fox News and AM radio hate and vitriol, that to them, anything short of tar and feathering those kids and launching them back across the border with a catapult is viewed as capitulation and surrender. How are the rest of us supposed to come up with a solution with that irrational obstruction? You can't compromise with a group that categorically rejects the very concept of compromise. You can't reach any solutions with a group of people who think it's perfectly acceptable to scream at and intimidate a busload of children as a legitimate way to fix the problem.

You seem like a moderate Republican- that's why I suggested that you enlighten them- they long ago quit listening to the rest of us. As a Republican, you are complicit in their ascension- they were useful to your party and you guys milked it for all it was worth in 2010. It was a Faustian bargain and now we're all paying the price. Sorry Dr Frankenstein, but that monster of yours ain't all that anymore, now that it's turned on you too...

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Posted by Pete Hahn on 07/16/2014 at 10:25 PM

Re: “Grijalva Did Not Say Buses Were Scheduled To Arrive In Oracle Tuesday

Babeau is such a media whore like Joe A.! He did a great job of wasting tax payer money on Tuesday.

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Posted by Vivian Sampson on 07/16/2014 at 8:49 PM

Re: “Wish Max Cannon a Happy, Happy Birthday

I fully appreciated Max's genius the second I read the first Red Meat strip I'd ever read and made the immediate decision to publish RED MEAT in the Tucson Weekly—the first alt-weekly in the world to publish the esteemed comic strip. So, yeah, Max is a fucking genius. Always has been.

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Posted by doug biggers on 07/16/2014 at 8:08 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!! From the outset of this I have wondered why our gov't has not tried partnering with the secular groups who could do more about this at lower cost than ANY border fence or legions of law enforcement entrenched along the borders. Let me see if I can set a record for "dislikes" with this:
We need to expand our student visas to these younger ages who are showing up right now.
The governors of the affected states need to band together and FORCE the president, any president to allow the churches to have access to these kids for the sake of their current educational needs. Any church in Tucson, pick one, could contract with TUSD to use one of the closed schools to have classes. This is the decent thing we could do while these kids are awaiting deportation back to their home countries.

One of the influences inspiring these kids to come here is the missionaries. As part of their ministry these men & women could represent their sponsors by working with the local families to help their child qualify for these visas. In Az families within the community could offer to sponsor a child.
The devil is in the details but the gist of this is that since we offer college student visas why not do the same for the younger grades? We bring foreign military to this country to learn why not introduce America to these groups at a younger age so they can learn early how to be a learned citizen in their own country and, over time, improve the quality of life in their own region.

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Posted by Harold R. Simpson on 07/16/2014 at 8:01 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

Adam Kwasman and I went to the same high school, and he has not changed one bit. He spouted off opinions fed to him by others without any factual knowledge of his own. I truly believe he is the definition of a puppet. Unfortunately, now that he has weaseled his way into politics, he is a mindless puppet with a megaphone. I have direct/in person knowledge of the situation these unaccompanied children are in, and this is a humanitarian issue. Most of the people protesting hide behind religion to validate their bigotry, but if they were truly Christ - like they would value the lives of others above their own. They would also be saviors rather than protestors. I would like to make a suggestion to those who disagree with this humanitarian effort; open the good book today, and take a look at the actions of Jesus. Accepting all, saving those in need, and providing to others before providing for himself. Those are just some of the basics. If you would like to call yourselves true Americans or true Christians; you should be loading your vans up with donations instead of hate.

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Posted by Kerri on 07/16/2014 at 7:14 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

I wonder if you could take me to this secure border to show me how uninformed I am. And while you're at it maybe you can help me understand how the GOP is responsible for an executive order signed by the president in 1942. And actions taken against the Chinese. I might be as smart as you say but it's obvious I'm not as smart as you.

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Posted by Harold R. Simpson on 07/16/2014 at 6:14 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

Actually Harold, the border is more secure than it has ever been in the history of the country. By every measure we are doing a better job of protecting our southern border than we ever have. Deportations are way up, apprehensions are way up, the number of undocumented immigrants residing in the country is at a low we haven't seen in decades. Those silly signs aren't proof of a security failure, they're the result of the 'constitution free' zone we've established across our southern borders to placate the chronically fearful who continue to fret about Jan's headless corpses. The very fact that all these kids are in Border Patrol custody rather than running amok in the streets is evidence of that.

But yes, we get it. Both sides are stupid and you're the only smart one. Congratulations. Perhaps as a Republican you could talk some sense to those TPers and explain to them the long, ugly history of hatred, intolerance and xenophobia in America for whichever group happens to be 'the new guy on the block'. It wasn't that long ago that intolerant bigots just like them were frothing at the mouth about their ancestors- carrying signs about "No Irish" or passing laws banning the Chinese or hating on the Germans, the Italians and the Poles or locking up the Japanese in internment camps, all the way back to the ugly way we treated Native Americans. This is nothing more than the age old parade of the 'Ugly American' on display and history will look back on it with the same shame and revulsion that we now look back on all those other sorry episodes. Perhaps instead of tsk tsking both sides from your holier than thou perch of false equivalence you could help enlighten these people and explain to them how many of their own great grandparents faced this very same irrational hostility that they now feel so justified in heaping on the current generation of the tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free...

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Posted by Pete Hahn on 07/16/2014 at 5:45 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

Grammarmaven you are missing the chance to offer your constructive criticism to the poster immediately preceding your last one....or are you focused on only me in a lame effort to the content of MY post? And, in the context of my sentence you are trying to correct either form is appropriate.

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Posted by Harold R. Simpson on 07/16/2014 at 5:02 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

It seems both sides of this discussion seem to be equally stupid. To believe the border is secure is either sarcasm or folly. The BLM, an agency of our federal gov't requires an affidavit by me acknowledging I could be killed on BLM land just north of Ajo by intruders hiking north. This applies to BLM land that runs north from the border to within sight of Gila Bend. Anyone found on this parcel of our nation's public land is subject to a fine for being on what should be open to the public but is behind locked gates.
There is no doubt the GOP is just as stupid as the Democrats regarding good governance {"we have to pass this law......"}. Over the course of our history both groups have not been the best representatives of the American people. Is the GOP headed for ruination because of these TPers? The better question might be how to acknowledge the issues of the TPers as well as liberals and work to embrace the similarities. Labeling someone a terrorist is reckless and does nothing to make ANYTHING better.
As a Republican I am beyond embarrassed by this incident just as an American I am equally ashamed an American would recklessly label another American a terrorist just for doing something stupid.....more than once.

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Posted by Harold R. Simpson on 07/16/2014 at 4:48 PM

Re: “The Oracle Standoff Is Over For Now

Regarding what Jesus would do: I believe that, according to The Gospel According to Luke, when asked about the children, Jesus said something close to, Let the children come.

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Posted by Dave Gallagher on 07/16/2014 at 4:46 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

@Harold Simpson:

"Of course each district has their won way of handling this..."

Of course each district has ITS OWN way of handling this...

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Posted by Grammarmaven on 07/16/2014 at 4:25 PM

Re: “Wish Max Cannon a Happy, Happy Birthday

The thing I love best about Red Meat is that my favorite strips are very rarely the favorites of people I know. Red Meat has something for everyone!

Happy B-day, Max!

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Posted by Gonzo Sorcrachi on 07/16/2014 at 4:20 PM

Re: “The Oracle Standoff Is Over For Now

Yes pmrb, What part of ILLEGAL is difficult to understand? These children are being legally housed and processed in accordance with standing federal law to determine their immigration status and country of origin before the majority of them are deported. Why do you advocate breaking the law?

"Spend $3.7 B proposed by Obama on needy U.S. children and needy U.S. citizens in general"

Great idea! Lets spend some money on our poor as well- if we end the hundreds of billions of dollars spent on corporate welfare and the trillions of dollars spent on endless war we'd have plenty of money to do both. But to you heartless fools, the only choice is to either screw over our poor, or someone else's poor, no other options ever seem to penetrate those tiny brains.

The trouble is though, the same screeching morons protesting those poor immigrant kids are the very same ones who time after time whine and snivel about spending any money on our own kids. They fling their feces with abandon at anyone proposing to help the poor and disadvantaged in America, but suddenly IT'S A MIRACLE! They conveniently claim to care about the very people they crap all over day in, day out the moment it becomes a useful way of rationalizing their hatred and xenophobia for a different group of people. Who are you trying to kid? if that 3.7 billion isn't spent on fixing this humanitarian crisis you clowns will be right back to incoherently protesting it being spent on anything else- all the while screaming about the deficit and Benghazi!! and whatever other stupidity oozes out of your AM radio and into your empty heads.

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Posted by Pete Hahn on 07/16/2014 at 4:20 PM

Re: “The Oracle Standoff Is Over For Now

Shurf Showboat and his merry band of xenophobes have once again made Arizona a national laughingstock with their hateful screeching at a bus load of school children from the faraway land of Marana. Way to go, nitwits- you make us all proud.

Just ask yourself WWJD?

Who would Jesus deport?

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Posted by Pete Hahn on 07/16/2014 at 4:19 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

We are losing sight that these Tea Party Candidates don't have any brains. There only mission is to do nothing. Destroy the states and the US Government. Stop all tax increase and bankrupty this nation. Wake up voters about the Tea Party. They continual to tell lies and give out misinformation. Do you want to b controlled by these politicians who are the real Terrorist.

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Posted by Sam Smith on 07/16/2014 at 4:07 PM

Re: “Daily Show's Jon Stewart Tears Into Protesters of Migrant Children Shelters

I think we're all Bozos protesting this bus

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Posted by Pete Hahn on 07/16/2014 at 3:53 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

Yes, it IS legal for the photography of students in the context of a public setting. If a person sent me a photo of a driver's transgression and a student was seen as part of the photo it is perfectly legal. Notice all the photos of kids being interviewed or even photographed after a school incident? Kids in the bleachers at a game or pep rally? You can only castigate me because you cannot find anything in the USC or the ARSs because there is nothing there. IT IS LEGAL!!!!!
The problem here as we digress away from the topic is that you WANT this to be an illegal act; smoke where there is no fire. The man did an absolutely stupid thing in the hysteria of hate which is only being countered with more hate hysteria. It is okay to be wrong, I was earlier today but on this until someone shows a statute to the contrary there is no other way to prove me wrong. The proof shall set you free.
Children in a protective environment are treated much differently than the rest of the kids; separate transportation, only certain drivers allowed to drive them all for the safety of the ENTIRE family. Of course each district has their won way of handling this but only because of the difference in environments, rural vs urban and such.

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Posted by Harold R. Simpson on 07/16/2014 at 3:46 PM

Re: “AZ Rep. Adam Kwasman Mistakes YMCA Campers for Migrants

To all you 'secure the boarder (sic)' idjits: the border IS secure- how do you think they caught all those kids? They aren't running rampant across the countryside- they were apprehended- quite often they simply turned themselves in to the first American they could find because even as children they understood the futility of trying to run the gauntlet and beat the border security. Sheesh, the only thing worse than your irrational fear and anger, is that you nitwits can't even grasp the true nature of the problem you are whining about- you'd be the ones who witness a house on fire and clamor that we need to call a locksmith. The problem is housing and processing all those kids before we deport them, not catching them- pay attention!

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Posted by Pete Hahn on 07/16/2014 at 3:40 PM

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