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Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

I personally witnessed the rot and decay of TUSD in the 80s. And I couldn't imagine it could get any worse. How wrong I was.

Give the parents a chance to help their own children. Anything less is brutally selfish. Why?

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Posted by Rat T on 02/11/2017 at 1:46 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

Frances Perkins - why do you hate Catholics?

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Posted by What, Again on 02/11/2017 at 12:56 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

False, false, and false, "Frances Perkins."

0% correct, you flunk.

Those who comment in these streams providing information about what is actually going on locally -- as opposed you and others who live in an "ANTI-PRIVATIZATION!!!" fantasy land and provide nothing but falsehoods and ideologically-driven prejudice against a religious group and its institutions -- don't "hate TUSD." We hate lies, the misapplication of funds, filthy quid-pro-quo politicos and the bidders who donate to their campaigns, and we hate the FACT that children are being poorly served by institutions that receive hundreds of millions of tax dollars every year that are supposed to benefit STUDENTS and TEACHERS.

How many TUSD Board meetings and Site Council meetings have you attended in the last 3 years? I'm guessing zero, because your commentary reveals NO knowledge of real events, real policy and funding allocation decisions -- just ideological bullshit in post after sad post. I believe you did reveal at one point that you had attended Salpointe. What's the matter, did you have a bad experience there, and did it fuel a life-long hatred of the Church and a desire to undermine and handicap the high functioning schools it runs locally, which have at this point provided excellent educations to hundreds of thousands of people, Catholic and non-Catholic, who unlike you remain grateful for what they have received?

(By the way, you forgot to answer the question asked above: what would you say to parents in the sadly mismanaged, recently de-magnetized TUSD schools: "Conditions here are as good as you deserve, you definitely shouldn't use vouchers to transfer your kids to a Catholic school -- they might learn reading and math, but they could also pick up the wrong ideas about WOMEN'S REPRODUCTION"?)

Bulletin from the real world, Frances Perkins. Individuals decide for themselves whether they will follow or reject the values they are taught in school. But if they move from one grade to the next without the knowledge in each content area they need to succeed at the next level, they will be permanently handicapped in their educational prospects. And whether or not their parents' choices conformed to the prejudices of the ANTI-PRIVATIZERS!!! will not do them a damn bit of good in making up for academic deficits.

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Posted by "Frances" flunked the test. on 02/11/2017 at 11:13 AM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

Fetish. I hate TUSD. I Hate TUSD. To some here this hatred justifies every illegal, irrational, unconstitutional act by the bought and paid for Arizona legislature. This biggest lie they use to justify these illegal acts, is that they are helping low income students. They care not one iota about poor kids. I demand you help me pay my Salpointe or Brophy tuition with public money, is the real message.

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Posted by Frances Perkins on 02/11/2017 at 10:32 AM

Re: “Cinema Clips: Split

Are you serious? Are you actually implying that "Signs" was a good movie? I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit. Whether "Split" is any good or not remains to be seen, but after an opening line like yours, I can't consider myself enlightened by your writeup.

Posted by Richard Cranium on 02/11/2017 at 4:38 AM

Re: “FBI Agents and Others Asking: 'Who is Carmen Chenal?'


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Posted by Patty Thomas 1 on 02/10/2017 at 9:03 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

...and no, just advocating for increased funding is NOT advocating for the decent functioning of the public district system. The system has many, many problems that cannot be fixed -- and may be exacerbated -- by increasing funding without simultaneously increasing responsible oversight.

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Posted by & p.s.: improving them requires more than increasing funding. on 02/10/2017 at 8:50 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

We don't live in Finland, David. Conditions are different there in so many ways it would be difficult to count them all.

And let's be clear, this is what anti-choice advocacy supports, in practice, in the here and now, with conditions as they are:

--If you have enough money, you have the full range of educational choices: a public district school in a safe, affluent neighborhood, or an Independent school, a Catholic school, a Jewish school, a Waldorf, school, a Montessori school...whatever.

--If you don't have disposable income to spare and / or the means of transporting your child to a site remote from your neighborhood, your only option is the public district school in your neighborhood. And many public district schools in poor urban neighborhoods are poorly supplied, poorly staffed, and sometimes dangerous.

It really baffles me how it is that supposedly "liberal," compassionate people earnestly desire to return to this way of structuring options for the rich and the poor -- and some of these people, the worst among them -- advocate for it when they themselves have used private rather than public schools for their own children.

(Perhaps "Frances Perkins" will materialize and find some way of explaining this that doesn't make it seem like a form of oppression of the disadvantaged. Tell us, Frances: what would you recommend to parents who live in the immediate neighborhood of one of the recently de-magnetized schools in TUSD? "Your kids may not be able to learn anything in classrooms staffed with long term subs rather than fully qualified teachers, and the discipline problems that occur when teachers have not been given the behavior management training the desegregation plan requires certainly don't make it any easier, but at least this public school is conveying the right ideas about WOMEN'S REPRODUCTION?")

But the most damning aspect of most anti-choicers I know is this: when it comes to the lies, the abuses, the misapplications of funds, the numerous violations of professional protocols from hiring to bidding to safety name our largest local fabulous PUBLIC SCHOOL DISTRICT, the strongest anti-choice advocates, who want to lock kids into these malfunctioning schools, are SILENT. Their advocacy for the decent functioning of the public district system is 100% MIA.

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Posted by If you love public district schools so much, IMPROVE THEM. on 02/10/2017 at 8:23 PM

Re: “'Drawing Dicks on the Tucson Weekly' Might Be My New Favorite Facebook Group [NSFW]

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Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

In Arizona we are allowed to fund religious schools, through STO's and tax credits, individual and corporate. That seems appropriate in a country whose Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. However, an odd interpretation of the separation of church and state (which was framed to try to prevent the state enforcing membership in a state-sponsored church, like England's) has encouraged a class of people in this country to froth at the mouth when they think of tax dollars going to schools affiliated with the Roman Catholic Church -- and to believe their prejudice can be justified through reference to the Founders' principles.

Why the hatred of public funds supporting religious schools, especially Catholic schools, which, as David has written previously, are the primary beneficiaries of tax credits in Arizona? There are a number of reasons given, and a number of reasons cloaked, but you don't have to dig too deep in American history to find a strong strain of anti-Catholic prejudice. Sometimes, in this region, it's mixed with anti-Hispanic prejudice.

David: I know you're a fan of desegregation and social justice, which, one would hope, would have something to do with minority families having easy access to forms of schooling that meet their children's academic needs while being respectful and supportive of their values, their traditions, and their beliefs. What would a survey of the Hispanic residents in Southern Arizona find: what percent of that cohort would prefer to send their children to a public district school, or to the Catholic school of their choice, if the cost and convenience were the same?

The Catholic schools I know in Tucson are more, not less racially integrated than the public district schools I know. They are more, not less, socio-economically integrated as well -- and that datum has made progress in the right direction BECAUSE OF the introduction of tax credits, which enable thousands of students who would not otherwise have been able to attend to do so.

Stop deriving your commentary from US News & World Report, and / or PCDP and TEA talking points, and / or Diane Ravitch and NPE. Come down from Cloud-Cuckoo Land and look at the world and the people around you in Southern Arizona. Perhaps if you did, you would see that YOU are the cultural imperialist, determined to impose your inaccurate idea of what is BEST on other people's children. They don't want what you want, David. They don't believe what you believe. And when it comes to TUSD vs. Diocese of Tucson schools, what you are trying to force on them is a distinctly inferior form of education in every respect.

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Posted by Safier is a cultural imperialist. on 02/10/2017 at 6:33 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

Silly infidels. 'Choice' is only allowed to kill yet to be born children, not to allow you to choose the education for your born children.

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Posted by What, Again on 02/10/2017 at 6:29 PM

Re: “Countries That Embraced Vouchers Made the Wrong School Choice

It appears that your vision is to lower all the standards to equal the failing public schools.

Like the Beatle song. "give choice a chance."

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Posted by Ring Go Starr on 02/10/2017 at 4:57 PM

Re: “Big City Mayors, Governors Make a Statement

Maybe we could concentrate on the folks that belong here before getting our panties in a wad over the folks that want to belong here... So many citizens needing help but so many non citizens waiting in the same lines claiming a right to do so... Only in America can this happen... Try sneaking into Mexico without a visa and asking for a hand out...

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:45 PM

Re: “Here’s Your Chance to Win Thousands of Dollars

I'd like to buy a bowel mijo!

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:31 PM

Re: “Rep. Martha McSally, Former Rep. Ron Barber, and Courage

The only thing around here collapsing from it's own weight is the toad himself!

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Posted by Kommon Cents on 02/10/2017 at 3:02 PM

Re: “Rep. Martha McSally, Former Rep. Ron Barber, and Courage

Martha, Martha, Martha....
If you can't stand the advice is to get out of the kitchen. Being elected by taxpayers means one must answer to their concerns. It goes with the territory. Republicans are facing an angry bunch, with good reason. Own up to voting for strip mining, own up to not demanding Trump produce his tax returns. Own up to voting against any protection of the enviorment and any protection for women making choices over their own bodies. Martha needs to own up and face her constituents.

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Posted by Tucker on 02/09/2017 at 8:44 PM

Re: “Rep. Martha McSally, Former Rep. Ron Barber, and Courage

Many on the left don't put much stock in that book, Rat T, but there are a good number of us that do.

Even in the current ugly, "reactive" political scene, there are more on the left using non-confrontational, constructive means to forward our policy goals than there are people breaking windows and screaming obscenities. But you know the media: it will always be the bad behavior and the sensational story that garners the most coverage.

As for this comment stream: Safier promoted the aims of a group that is targeting McSally, and this post was no doubt forwarded to their entire extended network, hence the large # of dislikes on posts that don't jump on the "disparage McSally" bandwagon.

And the usual suspects are of course offering up their vacuous, mean-spirited insults. Too bad they don't just find another hobby. Seems to me they foster an inaccurate and negative image of what "liberals" believe and how they behave, damaging the very cause they seem to want to promote.

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Posted by I suppose civility is too much to ask for here? on 02/09/2017 at 5:15 PM

Re: “Here’s Your Chance to Win Thousands of Dollars

It would be my luck that the first question is "in 2016 how many times did TPD call for ICE when finding illegals in the city?"

My guess is zero. That's because we are a sanctuary city.

Tucson Arizona has been added to the sanctuary city list because the Tucson police have instituted a new policy which prevents their officers from calling Immigration and Customs Enforcement to schools and churches.

When in fact by calling ICE makes TPD's job is easier and the community is safer. We don't have to worry about criminals that have been deported.

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Posted by Patty Cake on 02/09/2017 at 4:45 PM

Re: “Rep. Martha McSally, Former Rep. Ron Barber, and Courage

Talk about someone who should follow their own advice.

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Posted by Rat T has always been a phony, but now she's also pathetic! on 02/09/2017 at 10:27 AM

Re: “Rep. Martha McSally, Former Rep. Ron Barber, and Courage

Talk about someone who should follow they're own advice.

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Posted by Rat T has always been a phony, but now she's also pathetic! on 02/09/2017 at 10:25 AM

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