No such word as "tamale." There is such a word as "tamales," but the singular is "tamal." Just sayin'.
You're right, it came off sounding really bad.
But you are so wrong, and I really hope you are not so much racist, but culturally deprived.
The only thing wrong with Mexicans is that they got such bad play in the movies when you were a child.. they were always the bad guys, and you were dumb enough to believe it.
This part of the country was their land.. and it was through genocide, just as with the Native American Indians, that it became the white eyes land.. how's that for a heritage for the "white man?"
Now, take your BS, expand your cultural ties, and get a real life, instead of the one where you really come off as the bigot you didn't intend to become, but were too ignorant to realize that you are.
Hapstone: Mexico doesn't deport their own citizens. They come here on their own to find work. They are not leaving their country at an exponential rate. In fact, illegal immigration to the U.S. across the border has slowed down considerably during the past decade, due to increased enforcement and a lack of work here. You do bring up an interesting point about exploitation of indigenous cultures that deserves to be discussed in any ethnic studies classes. Spaniards indeed conquered and exploited the locals. They also intermarried with the locals, creating beautiful brown people. Anglos conquered and exploited native people and then shoved them into big open-aired ghettos called reservations. Intermarriage with brown pagan savages didn't figure into the Anglo scheme of things. Then they reneged on their treaties, pushing tribes out of land they had been promised. After that, they passed the Dawes act, dividing up many reservations and buying up the land. Mismanagement and corruption have characterized the U.S. relationship with its native peoples since 1776. Was it better to destroy native cultures through assimilation and expropriation or by pushing them off coveted land and creating ghettos on the land Anglos didn't want at the time? I would say neither were moral or just. As far as morality and decency is concerned, I would say there is plenty for both countries to be introspective about: if Mexico has not done a good job of tasking care of its own, neither has the United States treated its people of color well. Slavery existed for 240 years on this continent in what is now the United States and apartheid for another century after that. And I ask you which country's slaves were illegally imported into the other during the period before the Texas revolution?
As far as Mexicans contributing to their culture, are you referring to Americans of Mexican ancestry or Mexicans? To say that either group doesn't enrich culture is just plain ignorant. Mexican music, art, literature and cinema on the other side of the border have very productive. If one bothers to look outside the American pop culture bubble one would learn that. As far as Mexicans standing up to social injustice, I refer you to 1910, 1968 and the Zapatista movement. And to the actions being taken right now in Ayutla and other places where Mexicans have become exasperated with their lot.
To say that Mexico's government has served its people well would be inaccurate. We'd all better hope that recent efforts at reform will bear fruit. Another revolution would not be good for either nation. At the same time, corruption, greed and mindless violence are certainly not unfamiliar aspects of life in America, are they. And when's the last time Mexico invaded another country under false pretenses?
gdelirium454 please seek help without delay before you harm yourself or others. Talk of suicide as an alternative to a particular variety of music is not a sign of mental or spiritual health nor is your need to share such strong negative opinions of a country you have never visited.
Seeking help is not a sign of weakness but rather of strength. Be strong!
Ummm - Well Mike - as for contributing - apparently Mexico doesn't share your opinion - since it has been "exporting" nationals at an almost exponential rate for a looooong time ...
more like a cleansing really than an migration.
I am yet to hear a cogent explanation as to why this "culture group" is routinely discriminated against - low pay, squalor and despair seem to be their share of the native land treasure into which they were born - where's the "grass roots" civil rights movement in Mexico for a a fair wage, family cohesion, community stability and infra-structure investment; And the support of the Obama government ...so sensitive to the human rights issues?( Of course there are no votes available from fully engaged Nationals residing in Mexico - so it's understandable from that perspective.)
And just out of curiosity when the neo-cultural studies resume will the exploitation and dislocation of the indigenous Indians of Mexico be included in the "cultural history"?
And Tom - that old saw just doesn't mean much anymore it's really more like an insider joke ... if that's all you got - then you ain't got much - but then we both know that ... don't we!!
Personally, I think that gdelirium454 showed great moral courage in posting his racist rant anonymously.
As an Anglo who lived the first half of his life on the west side of Tucson and who still finds the Old Pueblo to be a powerful magnet, I have to say that gdelirium454 must have never made it west of Tucson Blvd. Pobrecito. Ignorance is not bliss. Tucson was an O'Odham, Spanish and Mexican community before the U.S. picked it up in Santa Ana's yard sale. It is the mix of all of those cultures that make it a much more liveable place than the big metro-tumor to the north. So tacos are more fattening than chicken-fried steak with gravy? Latinas are unattractive as compared to Honey Boo0boo's family? The music is bad? Latinos are undereducated and don't contribute? Get out of your bubble. All cultures have something valid to contribute to the world and Tucson's mix is a good example.
"This will come out really bad, but I just want to state that at the time of writing this I don't have any 'beef' with any racist a$$hole and my expressions here are nothing more than simple observations and experiences" -- you are a PIG.
Funny you should bring up the indigenous peoples of Mexico - the way it's written would suggest it's past tense - or happened a loooong time ago(which is where a lot of the "movement" seem to be spending their time while texting on a 4g phone and wearing designer clothes and driving a new car and have never even seen a produce field except in swarmy emotional promos of suffering) - I digress -the enmity between the I's and the Mexicans is every bit as energetic as it ever has been - suggesting not a lot of progress along those lines and not a lot of love lost between them and their border neighbors either if what my conversations with non Mexican emigres can be believed.
This gives the frothy "human rights" dialogue of Mexican lawyers in the immigration trials as "friends of the court" a kind of comedic flavor not to mention the "street demonstrations" but that's something too - Mexicans are nothing else if not melodramatic.
But one of the mysteries that continues to puzzle me - the "immigration" numbers have long since passed beyond "immigration" to whole exodus. Now it would follow that a nation so concerned with human rights would ask itself - what the hell is going on here. Why are our people leaving their families and communities in such numbers? The fact is in my conversations with Nationals that I have talked to - that it appears - deliberate - by denying access to work through several methods - the most spoken about - low wages making it impossible to sustain themselves and their families.
This creates the suggestion of an purposeful "ethnic cleansing" of sorts on the part of the "uber-compassionate" Mexican government.. deliberate ... preferring instead to migrate their social agenda northward ... not northern Mexico who emphatically don't want Surenos in their communities - North America. And demanding self righteously we handle it for them.
I would feel better too, if I thought the liberal crescendo was truly motivated by an understanding of the nature of this phenomena and not by an unconscious sense of righteous superiority ) ie: a missonary zealots saving lost souls or animal rights activists ) - to which M. L. King alluded to all to frequently in his writings.
You must have made up that comment from the "South Carolina taco eater."
No one could be that ignorant and have such ridiculous ideas about Mexicans.
If that comment is real, that person must never have known any Mexicans!
More specifically, the birth rate in Mexico, herself, is virtually identical to that here in the States. Which means very low - in fact, barely enough to maintain each nation's populations.
It won't be long before we see campaigns by both governments encouraging producing more kiddies.
We don't want illegal aliens in this country stealing our jobs, stealing our benefits. Definitely tell Mr. Hateful to get out and go back to his failure of a crime-ridden, gang-ridden, drug-infested country. Bye, bye!
In this wonderful nation made up of mostly (pre-illegal aliens) law-abiding people, we want only "immigrants" here (this word means ONLY people who come legally and respect Americans by respecting our laws). We do not want illegal lawbreakers (correct word in Immigration law is "illegal aliens" who come by breaking our laws) in this country. Tell Mr. "hateful" to get out and yes, go back to his wonderful crime-ridden, gang-ridden, drug-infested nation that is falling apart because of a corrupt way of life. We only want law-abiding immigrants here. Bye-bye!
I know it is fun to blame Republicans for everything from the weather to Mitt Romney's dog being carried on the roof of a car, but Mexicans were able to elect Obama for a second term. I don't know how it happened, but how can you doubt what the news media says?
It does not seem as important to me as it seems to Republicans and Democrats. I am an independent voter. The news media says that independent voters are really Republicans and Democrats, except they cannot run for public office like Republicans and Democrats can. But the news media says there are a very small percentage of independent voters who are true independents. Maybe that is what I am. As far as I can tell, I am the only person in the United States or Mexico who does not want to be a gang member. Well, I am going to stay tuned to see what the news media says next.
Asians have a reputation for being some of the smartest people in the world (if not the most intelligent), when you look at IQ by region. Many have risen up from immigrants to the middle/upper class in muchos paises hispanicos, in a relatively small amount of time. Personas with nada entre las orejas, look down on races different from their own.
Seriously, the vast majority of the indigenas in central/south/north America can trace their heritage back to Asians who migrated across the land bridge. Maybe Latinos are concerned that their ancestors (be they Chinese or Japanese) were kicked out of these lands instead of it being a willful migration? Who cares!? After all, the ancestors of many Australians were criminals who lived in penal colonies, and Australia is a modern nation. It is plain to see the asian genetic influence in natives such as the Mayans, and in the facial characteristics of many Latinos, including Mexicans, as well as in many native americans.
When you look at the potential number of immigrants from all countries of the world that want to come to the United States, the number is in the hundreds of millions . . . if they all came in the same year, it would be a humanitarian disaster. Yes, the United States is strengthened by immigrants, but I believe that the system should be setup to favor legal immigrants from a plethora of countries, not primarily Mexico and central American/South American countries.
Immigrants from Mexico have an advantage due to the close proximity, but because coming here illegally is wrong, (violating the laws of another country), they have a need to psychologically justify it by arguing that their ancestors had a tie to the land, and/or thinking that whites are inherently racist and therefore breaking U.S. laws is ok.
If I illegally entered Germany, I'm not so sure I would be demanding that the German public school system educate my children with special English/German classes, and that they employ affirmative action programs to help me, and my children, get jobs, while I attack the Germany government as being full of "Nazis" and that Americans like me should have special privileges, such as special history classes that focus on American history, rather than the history of the host country.
I feel sorry for what is happening to people in Mexico, such as those women mayors/police chefs who have been attacked and killed. But, MAS supporters who are militantly hateful of Americans are a problem as such attitudes should not be codified in special classes for certain ethnic groups. From many accounts, the MAS course texts seem more like supplemental reading that is not peer reviewed, than history texts which try to be objective and which look at everything that has happened in this country.
Would white students be allowed to have a special course using books written by Limbaugh and Fox News folks? Doubt it. I really don't like Limbaugh, and I really don't like MAS studies and the attitude they perpetuate and don't want either in the public schools that my tax dollars fund.
So ... going with the human theme - what part of human is not operable in Mexico - you see this stopped being immigration when the numbers soared to millions - I am more concerned about a government which methodically exports millions of its own citizens breaking up families ( a real tear jerk-er on this side of the border) - sometimes brutally - and setting wages so low they cannot support themselves ... all the while huffing and puffing about "human rights" ... so help me here - human rights start north of the border and south of the border at the southern end of Mexico but not in between?
Being part white and American Indian, I have trouble understanding why Latinos feel that the school system (via programs such as MEChA) should be responsible for propagating Mexican culture. There aren't many special programs for Natives, and though I'm part Irish, I haven't seen special education classes for Irish students (of which there are many of this descent in the US, tens of millions who don't know it). I agree that traditional ways of life are important, just look at what happened on reservations when gangs culture was imported from California.
What if on St. Patrick's Day, those with Irish blood wore green arm bands and attended special classes for Irish year round. There are books, popular actually, which describe with great pride how mostly white countries, such as Scotland "invented the modern world" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/How_the_Scots_Invented_the_Modern_World) due to advancements in engineering and the sciences. But of course, such texts would not be appropriate in schools. I would not think it is a good idea for white student to read books that tell them how great various white cultures are, in an effort to make them feel special in order to push them to achieve.
But culture, religion, all of that is part of the separation of church and state. That America is a melting pot is a good thing about this country. If immigrants never learned english, you would have enclaves of people who didn't care to interact with others. I have sadly seen this happen in California where there are Japanese who have lived for decades, but don't care to learn English as they believe Japanese culture superior . . . and they often have had problems with navigating the US educational/legal system.
From a white/Native perspective, Latinos appear like modern day conquistadors which pepper their speech with Spanish words, almost as an afront to those who don't have the mixed racial and cultura legacy of La Raza. I speak Spanish, but I don't use around those who don't speak it much.
Latinos face huge hurdles, higher rates of unemployment, incarceration, higher incidence of STDs and are more susceptible to diabetes, and lower achievement in schools. I think they should emulate more successful communities such as the Jewish community, which uses religious institutions, to foster a deep appreciation and love of education.
I am for helping Latino kids in school, and I honestly think that nutritional education classes, mentoring with Latino and non-Latino teachers/mentors is the way to go, ethnic pride is a trap that will isolate the Latino community further, and give them a distorted view of their culture.
You write: "But Mexican ska's greatest contribution to the form is the mixing of punk attitude and political commentary..."
I agree that a "punk attitude" is a welcomed and original contribution to Mexican ska.
But I'm not so sure about "political commentary," because it was the great reggae man, Bob Marley, whose political commentary totally radicalized this white guy when he lived in Jamaica for a few years, back in the late 70's and early 80's.
Colorblind in Katy - Racism is a ploy for power. White people are losing the power with the browning of america and thus discriminate against those they see as inferior; which of course is bullshit because we ARE all equal as human beings.
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