Your argument for voting for Clinton holds up ONLY if you live in a swing state. In Arizona, the Republican will win, especially against the unpopular Sec. Clinton.
Vote your conscience and not your fears.
Joe "Tex" Callahan
Just like Ross Perot gave us Bill ( Knob Job) Clinton. Thanks Ross.
You think? Maybe if third party movements could get their shit together they could have a bigger voice and actually help shape policy. They haven't yet, with the regrettable exception of Nader, who helped give us W & Cheney. Thanks, Ralph. Bernie was able to pull the Democratic Party to the left because he ran as one, plain and simple.
What exactly makes you think your vote for Clinton in Arizona will do anything at all to prevent a Trump victory? Arizona's electoral votes are going to Trump, end of story. If you don't believe that, you're living in a far more fantastical land than Bernie supporters were accused of when they called for free tuition and Medicare for all. There are about 28 states in the union responsible for preventing a Trump victory, and we ain't one of em.
A vote for Gary Johnson or Jill Stein (if she manages to get on the ballot after the Green Party deadline fiasco) goes a lot further in actually helping the country - increasing their vote percentages can lead to third-party participation in future debates and allow them to qualify for additional funding. In fact, by wasting your vote on Clinton in an overwhelmingly Trump state, you're doing damage to the country by signaling support of Hillary Clinton's neoliberal mandate.
Sorry, Mari, but the only reason that third parties don't win is because people don't vote for them.
There's no way I can vote for Clinton, who approved of thousands of refugee children being sent back to danger to "send a message to their parents." I can't vote for someone who has brokered some of the largest international arms sales in history (can you say cluster bombs?) but then claims she's for "gun control." I will not vote for someone who thinks that the U.S. has the right to intervene in other countries' elections (e.g., Honduras), while she oversaw the theft of the Dem primary (http://electionjusticeusa.org/index.php/re…). I could go on and on.
I refuse to vote against my conscience and my values. No one, even you, seems able to make a reasonable argument for why anyone should vote for Clinton except "OMG Trump!" The DNC built this, they own it, but they don't own me. We've been saying for months that Clinton cannot win against Trump, but we have been ignored.
I'm voting Jill Stein, Green Party. I hope you join me.
Both candidates have turned the parties upside down. Maybe that's a good thing.
"The fact that Bernie made as good a showing as he did, and was willing to take the high road when the revelations came out, means the Democratic Party has to take his influence seriously." TDB
Really? The Democratic Party, and pointedly the DNC, have proven they are the black hole of the political universe. They will suck up all energy and continue on as nothing has really happened. Working against a party candidate? No problem? Thinly veiled anti-semitic/anti-atheist plots to derail the candidate? No problem.
Watching Sanders kowtow to the party, a party he had never been a member of til this election, was disgusting. He should have walked out with his supporters. These people who trusted him and worked their butts off in his campaign have every right to be turned off to politics ... and to sit this one out or vote their consciences.
I'm with you on this one, MH. My first election-& the last time I voted third party-was the 1980 Presidential. Of course, even if all third-party votes had gone to Carter, that bad actor who wound up in the White House for eight years would still have done so. All the same, I learned all about wasting my vote then (never mind how much better Carter looks in hindsight). & Who else remembers the Nader fiasco?
The fact that Bernie made as good a showing as he did, and was willing to take the high road when the revelations came out, means the Democratic Party has to take his influence seriously. Meanwhile, any vote not for Hillary will just get p!$$ed away, and make it that much more likely we'll get a textbook fascist for president (hopefully, checks-&-balances would keep him from some of the more egregious parts of his agenda, but not without a lot of damage & wasted energy).
It's very socialist. They're required to help you. Without ANY kind of socialism, you would be completely on your own.
I'm glad you've lived...and (hopefully) learned.
I don't begrudge your choice, Mari--each to her own voting strategy, in this grand democratic experiment, and so on--but please don't fool yourself. If Billary Clinton fails to win this election, it will have nothing whatsoever to do with Bernie Sanders or anyone voting Green. She will fail on her own merits, or lack thereof.
If she fails to defeat one of the most ignorant, absurd, untruthful, embarrassing, unqualified, and downright dangerous presidential candidates in history--unbelievable as it may seem, but it could very well happen--it would be because she has utterly squandered her credibility. For many years she has been nothing more than a garden-variety politician who happens to be married to a former president, tacking back and forth with the winds of change and changing her tune whenever it suited the moment. She has consistently and earnestly played to Republican themes while pretending to be a liberal, courted the wealthy and powerful while pretending to stand for the underprivileged, and betrayed her base and the principles of her supposedly liberal party in the process. That strategy was birthed by her husband and his DNC, to the ruin of the Democratic Party and progressive change, and she has embraced it enthusiastically.
People are totally fed up with it--so fed up that they're desperately grasping for a psychotic ignoramus just because he sounds different. If she cannot beat the psychotic ignoramus--and I mean soundly beat him, send him back to his Tower with his tiny tail between his legs--she does not deserve to be president. No amount of ill-conceived, third-party blaming can change that.
Clinton Campaign Failed To Act.
Sounds just like Benghazi. But this time it's just political careers that are dying. Thankfully.
Always enjoy sgsmith's posts - but maybe could you please use the enter key to break up your prose into paragraphs?
"Bernie Sanders is not going to be president. Neither are the two third-party candidates. I'm voting for Clinton."
Well then... that settles that!
Thanks AZ/DC it is my keyboard. I now have a $10,000 deductible for my healthcare after Obama destroyed my old one. Have to live with a outdated keyboard and strokes as they happen.
What makes you think that for profit emergency rooms at for profit hospitals are a socialist thing?
You obviously don't understand socialism. I wonder if you really even care about me.
Appropriate to call upon Shakespeare as this tragedy continues to unfold. Thanks
Now that we’ve seen 24/7 coverage of both major party conventions and suffered through “the tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing” foisted on us by the parties, candidates and media, perhaps it is high time that a grassroots effort were made to create a third party that actually represents the American people and not just the fringes of the political spectrum. For now, let’s call it the American Party. The platform of the American Party is formed by a commitment to a global-competitive level of free public education for all Americans with a focus on building character, ethics, leadership and imagination for the betterment of all people and not just those who pay to play and have privilege based on wealth, power and racial heritage; next, restoring and maintaining the Middle Class because nations with a healthy and vital middle class are stronger for everyone – by building a new and better infrastructure that is environmentally sound with a return of manufacturing in the United States and creation of well-paying skilled labor – the Middle Class will be the backbone of our nation; and lastly, by returning all levels of government to the basic reasons they were created in the first place – to maintain public services that allow for the safety, security and well-being of the populations they serve – not the out-sourcing, buck-passing, political pigs at the money trough filled by special interests and dark money brokers intent on wealth and power at the expense of all else that we have today. If we are ever going to take back our country, we had better do it soon because this election cycle has clearly demonstrated that there isn’t much time left before the only options are more-of-the-same and bat sha@t crazy – oh, wait….
Today: Pigs Meet Trough
As Democratic candidates run, sweating in the Philadelphia heat, to the now unleashed money handlers, all rhetoric concerning campaign reform is tossed like confetti. It is a convention after all.
"I hope the DNC rethinks their strategy." Strong words there.
Right. Guess what Mari, the DNC has now been vindicated, the fix is in and no amount of malfeasance on its part will be criticized by the party. As long as the preferred, pre-selected candidate wins. The economy is rigged, the presidential campaign is rigged, so yes, it only makes sense to vote for Hillary Clinton.
In Bizarro World.
Oh, silly me.
Don't bother to contact emergency services, that's a socialist thing.
Let's hope you can make it to the hospital on your own and let's hope that you have a very ample bank account.
Are you having a problem with your keyboard or are you having a stroke?
I hope that you or a loved one has contacted emergency services if it's not the keyboard.
Mari, after reading your voting strategy I came to the conclusion that it is the definition of insanity. You may not fear Muslims, but after thousands have been murdered by radicals, our NATO members like France and Germany may be looking to deport Syrian refugees.
Now the Democrats appear anti police.
Canada wouldn't have you.
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