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Re: “Unapproved Art

Thanks Margret for bringing my attention to this exhibit. I went yesterday and loved it. Two thumbs up. Seeing the Rosemont Copper girl in context with the other paintings was brilliant. Spot on.

Posted by kziptr on 05/27/2011 at 10:49 AM

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By April of 2009, our company had been forced to send over 100 proud working Arizonans home. They lost their jobs, because our company lost the revenue needed to keep them employed. Those folks were skilled and motivated, but that did not change the reality of the fact that we did not have the work nor did it change the reality that they landed in an environment where jobs were scarce and well paying jobs even more scarce.

Now, we have a company like Rosemont. They have come to our community and over the last two years I have watched their company set a new standard for community investment and corporate responsibility. Although there are many unreasonable voices in the "choir", the reasonable and informed folks among us know that the position established and held by Rosemont is one of superior planning, environmental stewardship and the helpful "old west spirit" of which I am very personally proud.

For all of the folks who have jobs and are able to pay your own way as well as those folks who are fortunate enough to live off of the good will and charity of our nation, but who oppose the development of the Rosemont project, I ask you to please be willing to learn the real facts about Rosemont, to speak with Mr. Pace and see for yourself his personal willingness to answer your questions and show you some of his other work.

There is an old west saying, "you don't look a gift horse in the mouth". But when it comes to protecting our environment, I think we need to depart from that old cowboy's rule. We need to look at this "horse" very carefully. However, I have looked Rosemont in the "mouth", and I like what see. I pray for some of our former employees, that they will be afforded an opportunity like Rosemont, to restore their pride and prosperity.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions and this artist is obviously willing to offer his own. But a biased and inflammatory opinion coming from a person who "has his" is just that, an opinion. Don't be the person who helps to portray "Chicken Little" as the smartest animal in the barnyard. Find out the facts for yourself!

Posted by White Stetson on 05/27/2011 at 8:55 AM

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It's a good thing we live in America, because if we didn't this article would have never gotten printed nor the picture been hung up. This is Arizona and we are The Copper State. We need our mines, we need Rosemont Copper to keep our state going. So our taxes aren't raised and we don't have to cut any more funding from the elderly, our schools, and yes even our forest services. We have another business wanting to bring money to our state , welcome them with opened arms it is for our Copper!

Posted by bootz on 05/27/2011 at 6:36 AM

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In trying to draw a link between Rosemont Copper's PR campaign and the Nazi propaganda machine, it is actually Lawrence Gipe, who is actually attempting to make some cheap, self-serving political statement at the expense of the millions, who suffered and died during the Holocaust.

Posted by D. Briggs on 05/27/2011 at 6:15 AM

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Tucson should be so lucky to have an opportunity to provide well paying jobs, jobs that offer health care, very good health care benefits, 401K savings plans and posibly a retirement plan. Unemployment rate is high, the presidency is struggling to provide some kind of health care for Americans and there is a big resistence to stop the developement of a previously mined copper ore body. There is something really wrong here. I go along with John 85, those of you who are so dead set on mining in America can quit using the copper by products that get used as a result of mining in Arizona. That's right, I said it. Turn in your cars, turn off your AC units, and everthing else that uses copper for a more comfortable life style. Put up or shut up. This is an opportunity for many people to draw a nice wage and provide for there familys. Do the right thing, give the people an opportunity to earn a good honest living. It spreads to the families, children, and community. Communities like Ajo, Bisbee, Douglas, Morenci, and now Safford, as well as several in New Mexico have benefited hugely by copper mining in Arizona.

Posted by capolina on 05/27/2011 at 1:58 AM

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Jom, I hope you're trying to be funny.

Posted by john85629 on 05/26/2011 at 8:57 PM

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Are mining companies not required to operate responsibly if they are mining in a third world country? Are they only responsible if the law requires it? Is there no corporate code of ethics among mining companies?
How would copper mined by an American subsidiary of a Canadian company affect the US trade
deficit?

Posted by jom on 05/26/2011 at 8:51 PM

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The comparison of Rosemont's PR campaign to Nazi propaganda is a narcissistic, self-serving attempt to sway public opinion. Not only does it cheapen the significance of the Holocaust, but it is also disrespectful of the millions of innocent victims, who suffered and died at the hands of the Nazis during World War II.

Posted by D. Briggs on 05/26/2011 at 7:22 PM

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Jom, if you are so dead-set against mining, I would invite you to stop using any products that are mined, or produced with mined materials. This part of Southern Arizona has been heavily mined for generations because this is where the copper is. Would you rather have it produced in third-world countries with no environmental controls at all, or would you like to see it produced in the USA, where it can help balance our tremendous trade deficit?

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Posted by john85629 on 05/26/2011 at 6:23 PM

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What can Rosemont Copper do about the one square mile 2900 ft deep hole in the Santa Ritas that would "raise the environmental standard of mining operations?" The same question for the mountain of waste rock and tailings covering 3500 acres of Public Land. I've seen the "after" rendition of the "reclamation" and I see nothing there to suggest a "higher environmental standard." As for Arizona history, we are reaping the results of that history now with polluted mines seeping toxic fluids, 350,000 acres of tailings piles blowing in the wind throughout the state, boom/bust ghost towns, polluted streams and aquifers---mining is not the most important pillar of the AZ economy today and Tucson is seeking more tech and medical business investment,along with tourism. Spoiling the beautiful landscapes is akin to killing the goose that laid the golden egg. Rosemont jobs would come at great cost to local economies and to the environment and to an area enjoyed by the public on a regular basis, including portions of the Arizona Trail which would be buried by the waste piles! The Rosemont deposit is low quality as evidenced by the ratio of ore to waste rock---1.9 billion tons of waste for 600 million tons of copper- bearing ore over the life of the mine. This mine at Rosemont Junction is a bad idea and I have also heard that stated by former miners! Mine the reserves at other mines in valid mining districts where the environment has already been destroyed!

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Posted by jom on 05/26/2011 at 4:40 PM

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The writer has drawn parallels between different subject matter. The subject matter must meet certain requirements of similarity to evidence the parallel drawn. The Nazi did horrific things to people and to try and attach these heinous acts to Rosemont Copper is slanderous and ridiculous, to say the least. To draw a parallel between propaganda the Nazi used to convey an image and of a young girl utilizing alternative energy is about as bizarre as a University of Arizona professor plagiarizing the same photo and repainting it to meet his Nazi standards for propaganda. Humanities such as painting are subjective and hope to convey a unique way the artist presents a subject, this is the painter or photographers gift to society. It can lead to a better understanding of the subject matter, as seen in a unique way. A painter or a writer can change a subject into another outlook, good or evil. When I see this picture, I see an intelligent looking and dignified young girl holding an integral and world saving solution to her future – an alternative energy source. Alternative energy will require more copper to make, approximately 35% more copper in many applications.
In addition, this child is a real human being that was used in an appropriate manner, by drawing the twisted and invalid parallel in print and in repainting this child to fit into a Nazi propaganda category has diminished the positive message of our children and alternative energy use. People will sometimes get carried away with their points of view and try to convince others to their point of view - as is this case of this writer and this painter who sees this beautiful and positive representation as part of twisted evil thinking.
Truman W.

Posted by TrumanW on 05/26/2011 at 4:18 PM

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Yes. Let's demonize Rosemont for wanting to raise the environmental standard of mining operations. Let's demonize them for wanting to invest Billions of dollars into our economy, add hundreds of full time well paying jobs, and create additional jobs through suppliers/contractors in an down economy with over 8.5% unemployment. Associating Rosemont's advertiving with Nazi propaganda is just a ploy to try to stop the mine. Read your Arizona history. This State was built on mining. Yeah, old mines have been pretty bad to the environment, so lets raise the standard and expect all mines to meet the standards that Rosemont is suggesting.

Posted by SpeaktheTruth on 05/26/2011 at 1:50 PM

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az lightfighter---time to remove your rose colored glasses. What you "see" is not reality. Rosemont has a few solar panels for "show and tell." The power to operate the mine would come from new transmission lines coming from the west side over the mountains to the mine. Nine million gallons of diesel fuel will be burned each year to support the operation. Twenty thousand tons of ammonium nitrate will be exploded each year. The land will not be scarred for generations to come? Exactly what do you think a square mile wide 2900 ft deep pit will do to the land and how about the 3500 acres of waste rock and tailings--ALL on Public Land? I doubt that you have seen the Rosemont artist's rendition of AFTER conservation. The entire area will be forever ugly or scarred which ever you prefer. Rosemont Copper only invests in the community now for PR and image purposes. As for "political BS" Rosemont Copper certainly supports any politician who will take their campaign contributions.

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Posted by jom on 05/26/2011 at 12:28 PM

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WOW Really? I always thought art was in the eye of the beholder. I see a company that is willing to invest in the community and use renewable energy. Not rape the land and leave it scared for generations to come. I really hate the way so many people want to turn something like this into political BS. Shame on you UofA!

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Posted by Az Lightfighter vet. on 05/26/2011 at 10:24 AM

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Kudos to Rosemont Mines, for putting up with this CR@%%^, Hang in there. This is one of the reasons that this town is not growing. Everytime we get in a new company to develope their base operations here, here comes the Old Tucson Polititions, that do not want any changes. It is time for new blood in the political areana with new views. I travel alot and in my travels, Tucson Arizona seems to be one of the laughing stock citys of this country. We are famous, but for what!!!!

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Posted by santanabmw on 05/26/2011 at 9:43 AM

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Webster's definition of propaganda----any systematic, widespread dissemination or promotion of particular ideas, doctrines, practices,etc. to further one's own cause or to damage an opposing one.

Posted by jom on 05/26/2011 at 9:37 AM

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That isn't a bad painting, but the article is wrong. Not all propaganda is wrong, or evil, or bad. Propaganda is simply choosing to express one side of an argument. The Rosemont detractors have a voice, and so does Rosemont. The United States during WWII also created propaganda, and continues to do so. By the author's definition, all advertising is propaganda. I'll give this one a big yawn.

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Posted by john85629 on 05/26/2011 at 9:04 AM

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Great article. Love the Copper Girl. congratulations.

Posted by cpelavin on 05/26/2011 at 8:54 AM

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Chris, I also know propaganda when I see it and your comment is just that. Exactly what false and misleading information from Rosemont opponents are you referring to?

As for Rosemont propaganda---how about the claim that the mine tours are in the top ten AZ tourist attractions (no mention of the Grand Canyon!) How about the U-tube video of Sturgis and Ryan driving down #83 showing folks where the mine would be visible--arriving at the intersection of 83/82 then stating that "you can't see the mine from there, you will only be able to see it from the 3 mile section of highway as you pass the mine. " That's hogwash, it would be visible from most of the Sonoita area including Rain Valley to the east! How about the claim that Rosemont will produce 10% of US copper needs--while most of the copper would go to Asian smelters to be refined. Truthful? Not exactly. How about the free dinners and bus transportation to the first scoping meeting, for those unemployed people to submit positive comments to the Forest Service when they thought they would be applying for jobs at the mine? Was that propaganda? And how are opponents trying to silence proponents? I think it's the other way around. Rosemont Copper is trying to silence public opinion with their "community support" money, using the names of the recipient organizations to reflect support for the mine. (if the name of your organization appears on that list would you speak negatively about Rosemont Copper?) And Rosemont Copper has solicited people to comment to news articles (are they also paid?) How many Chambers of Commerce have they joined (welcome or not) so that they can be the bully in the room and silence opposition there as well?

Professor Gipe is exposing Rosemont Copper for WHO they are and I salute him!

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Posted by jom on 05/26/2011 at 7:45 AM

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University academics have almost a blank check when applying colorful propaganda to promote their views in the classroom so let's put this art professor into proper context.

Rosemont's ads are forward looking and link themselves to "green energy" such as solar and wind technology. A crusty old guy holding the solar panel outside a nursing home would have indeed been less appealing than the young girl...but once again they are linking themselves to the future.

Did y'all forget that behind every bit of "green technology" is very large quantities of high-purity copper that needs first to be discovered, tested for continuity/grade by expensive drilling and other metallurgical/mining/economic studies, permitted/approved, and ultimately excavated from an open or underground mine in a "scenic santa ritas" mountain range somewhere, then processed, and shipped to the manufacturing entities that need it.

Get over the advertising images...everyone in private and public companies uses favorable PR to promote and protect their brand. For once we don't have blatent sex trying to sell something.

Posted by SilverSaguaro on 05/26/2011 at 7:19 AM

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