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Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

Sounds like the liberals are getting restless.

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Posted by Debra Holt on 09/16/2016 at 1:34 PM

Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

Guess what, Rat? School kids were singing the praises of presidents before the black one came along. It's just that nobody considered a big ol' scandal.…

Honestly, I don't think it's all that great an idea but it's also not widespread and it wasn't ordered by either president so I'm not too worked up about it. It's certainly not the typical curriculum of the preschool programs I'm talking about (as in both cases, it wasn't preschool in any event) so it's irrelevant to the conversation. It's odd that folks on the right never bring up the Bush example, though.

Also, plenty of studies have shown benefits of Head Start. Some have suggested that the program hasn't had much longterm impact. Sometimes you have bad outcomes in the best of circumstances and sometimes you have great outcomes in the worst of circumstances. But the fundamental fact remains: If you want single moms to work, you have to ensure they have safe and reliable childcare. I don't really understand how you can dispute that very basic reality.

Personally, I'm not really eager to go back to the days when kids went hungry in this country as I'm of the opinion that being starving makes it difficult to do well in school but your mileage may vary. Judging from your history of comments, you don't appear to be a particularly compassionate person, especially if the kids in question have skin darker than yours and don't have the proper paperwork. Thanks for being such a fan of our site, though! It's great that you're one of the many out there who are can't go more than a few hours a day without hearing what we have to say. I'm not terribly interested in debating with you because I have a life, so this will prolly be my last word on the subject. I'm quite certain I won't be changing your mind on anything and nothing you've posted in your long history of being a fan of our work has ever changed mine, so it's basically a waste of my valuable time.

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Posted by Nintz on 09/16/2016 at 1:19 PM

Re: “Song of the Day: 'Tucson Kills'

Thank you, Starcommand, for your inspired words. It's clear that you are not only a music lover, but that you have a true appreciation for art in general. You also seem to have a great handle on how to fix Tucson, because it so desperately needs fixing. Perhaps some day all the people as enlightened as yourself will get together and make Tucson the great city that you envision. Until then, please continue commenting - without your opinion, we would be lost.

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Posted by ConfusedStarSeekingCommander on 09/16/2016 at 12:39 PM

Re: “Teacher Shortages: Things Are Bad All Over (Only More So In Arizona)

Nope, "Francis", it is not ALL on them. Some of it is on the people managing TUSD. The Arizona Daily Star drew a nice contrast between TUSD and Flowing Wells in its article on the AZ teacher shortage. Flowing Wells, like TUSD, is a district serving a relatively low SES population and dealing with the same AZ funding insufficiencies (except that, unlike TUSD, Flowing Wells does not get more than $60 million extra in desegregation funds to apply each school year). Yet this far into the school year, according to the Star article, Flowing Wells only had 1 teacher vacancy. The last report I heard on TUSD indicated that they were more than 100 short of the certified teachers they need to properly staff their classrooms. (TUSD is larger than Flowing Wells, but not 100x as large.)

Why the disparity? Flowing Wells has a well-earned good reputation in the teaching community. TUSD is known as a nightmare of mismanagement and inadequate support to those on the front lines educating kids.

But there was TUSD Sup HT Sanchez: quoted in the Star article predictably saying we should blame our AZ teacher shortage on our legislature. Perhaps he should transfer his attention to other local districts serving similar populations and ask himself why they are doing a much better job attracting and retaining qualified teachers than the district under his management is doing. But that would be an honest, competent attempt to solve a real problem in his schools. No doubt it is more than can be expected of someone taking home close to $500K of the taxpayers' money in his ridiculously inflated )and apparently self-designed) compensation package this year.

(And by the way, I don't think the original Francis Perkins of the FDR administration would agree with your reductive and inaccurate interpretation of what's going on in Southern Arizona education, Francis. Nor would she agree with David Safier's.)

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Posted by Once again: problems are state-level and LOCAL on 09/16/2016 at 12:30 PM

Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

Sorry Nintz but you missed the mark. Truth is the government promised us just what you hoped for for the last 50 years. It was called Head Start. It began under LBJ and his "Great Society" campaign. His vision was that by spending money on low income families, and their children they would experience greater successes in life and benefit society on the whole.

Obama's budget in 2016 approved $10.1B for this program. But there is no possible way to track results unless you base it on emotional expectations. Maybe a better way to measure that result would be to look at welfare, food stamps and SNAP programs.But they are growing exponentially. Spending has increased on every one of those programs and results are disappointing.

Is it possible that AZ lawmakers do not want to throw more money into failed programs that have devoured billions of federal tax dollars?

Rather than dismiss your opinion as being based solely on personal beliefs, I read and understand your position. But there seems to be a move afoot to dismiss anybody that holds a differing opinion as a kook. But I think even you would admit the public schools stepped over the line of indoctrination when they di this:

And what else could you call it, other than indoctrination?

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Posted by Rat T on 09/16/2016 at 12:25 PM

Re: “Teacher Shortages: Things Are Bad All Over (Only More So In Arizona)

Let see. The republican legislature has been in the majority in this State for over 30 years. Everything that the public school system is or isn't is on them. The fact of soaring public university tuition is on them. They fact they are funding a parallel privately operated charter system, many of them for profit, is on them. They fact that they are giving away public revenues to support completely private, religious schools, is on them. The fact that the public school buildings and buses are crumbling is on them (another lost lawsuit they continue to ignore). So unless there are tons of liberals in the repulican majority, it's all on them.

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Posted by Francis Perkins on 09/16/2016 at 11:57 AM

Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

Vince, please. Your entire response to me was personal--"you come across as Mr. Bullshit Media"--so don't go whining when you get it back, you big crybaby. You're right: I do take this issue personally. My mom spent most of the last four decades of her life taking care of preschool kids. That meant getting up five days a week and spending a full day chasing after more than two dozen kids. She didn't have to, but she chose to keep working well into her 80s because she wanted to make the lives of those kids better, not because she wanted to "indoctrinate" them in anything, unless you consider teaching reading, going on field trips and making pinch pots to be some weird form of indoctrination.

And here's the deal: My mom is not alone in trying to help these kids have happy childhoods. The teachers who take care of my kid during the day couldn't be a better bunch. They're not a crew of Cold War leftovers who are trying to teach kids about the glories of the Motherland. They work way harder than I do and they deserve respect, not your cheap insults. And the results with my kid have been spectacular. She is whip-smart, curious, happy and has the sweetest temperament imaginable. I'm lucky, I can afford do send her to one of the best early childhood education schools in town. Every kid should have the opportunities she has.

And that's not even getting started on the other point I made about how if you want single moms to work and build a better life so they're not dependent on government for the rest of their lives, you have to make sure they have safe, reliable childcare. That's a simple idea and one that Republicans embraced when welfare reform passed in the 1990s. Sadly, at least in AZ, Republicans have turned out to be deadbeat dads, at least when it comes to holding up their end of the bargain there.

It's not about "institutionalization" or whatever dumb ideological one-track notion you have in your head. It's about education and making sure we can compete with the rest of the world in the 21st century. And that starts with taking care of kids to build them up rather than leave them victims of neglect and abuse. If that point eludes you, you're more deplorable than I ever imagined.

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Posted by Nintz on 09/16/2016 at 11:13 AM

Re: “Tucson Is A Vacuum—And I'm Ok With That

A great place to be "from" (and never come back) if you can make enough money to get out of here. For others we see in certain parts of town that's hopelessly impossible so their only escape is numbing themselves with drugs and alcohol.

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Posted by Drew on 09/16/2016 at 11:10 AM

Re: “Cinema Clips: Eight Days a Week

"This band did what they did in just seven years."

Also, by the time they split up, they were still in their 20s.

What they accomplished was absolutely amazing. There will never be another musical act like them.

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 09/16/2016 at 10:01 AM

Re: “Tucson Is A Vacuum—And I'm Ok With That

We are the earth;

Let's step up our respect and use the right words to demonstrate that our admiration isn't fleeting or shallow.

"it's only a search away"....

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Posted by Many Generations Home on 09/16/2016 at 8:59 AM

Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

No, You didn't serve me.

But Nintz sure served you!

The more you believe the nonsense which you actually type, you're only serving yourself.

Have a blessed day. DC

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 09/16/2016 at 8:53 AM

Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

Is it your job to be Jimbo's little cheerleader?
Sounded like typical liberal outrage when I dared to challenge him in his little newspaper.
I'm "wrong" and he's got the moral high ground? Says who? Just "opinions" and everybody
has one. Then of course, it is time to go personal. He knows nothing about my charitable
giving or volunteering, but since I don't want to solve problems exclusively through government,
I must be an evil person. The Trump plans promotes child abandonment? Come on.
Try to come up with your own original thought AZ/DC. Now you've been served.

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Posted by The Vince of darkness on 09/16/2016 at 8:42 AM

Re: “Teacher Shortages: Things Are Bad All Over (Only More So In Arizona)

Teaching is a profession for which people get an education, serve an internship and obtain hours of further education. However, the amount of oversight and administratium just becomes more than the job is worth to many. Not to mention pay, uncertainty from year to year and so on. And, even before that many leave the business after five years. It is expensive to get the licensing testing ($500) and states do not recognize one another's - one thing for nurses, who earn more, but for teachers?? Change the way the job is managed and perhaps more people will go into it--we discourage so many young, new graduates, with all of this. I have an unused MEd in AZ...

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Posted by MaryE2 on 09/16/2016 at 8:08 AM

Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

Vince got served!

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Posted by AZ/DC! on 09/16/2016 at 7:36 AM

Re: “Tucson Is A Vacuum—And I'm Ok With That

Tucson. Fresno, without the charm.

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Posted by Gandalf the white on 09/16/2016 at 7:28 AM

Re: “Woman Calls Out Cheating Husband Via Billboard

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Posted by Raymond Williams on 09/16/2016 at 6:53 AM

Re: “Song of the Day: 'Tucson Kills'

No. Drug addiction kills. Tucson is peculiar in some ways, but overall is no better or worse than any other comparably-sized city. Tucson could be a great city, if more people cared about making it so. I'm afraid this video will just confirm perceptions that Tucson attracts burnouts and misfits, for reasons that are too melancholy to contemplate.

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Posted by Starcommand on 09/16/2016 at 5:26 AM

Re: “Teacher Shortages: Things Are Bad All Over (Only More So In Arizona)

There's plenty of money spent by Arizona for K-12 education and it is a priority -

...............for illegals.

Analysis of the latest Census data indicates that Arizona’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers about $1.3 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immi- grant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to more than $1 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden borne by Arizonans amounts to more than $700 per household headed by a native-born resident.

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Posted by What, Again on 09/16/2016 at 5:24 AM

Re: “Teacher Shortages: Things Are Bad All Over (Only More So In Arizona)

I moved to Arizona at the age of 5, in 1967 and the schools sucked back then too. My education in this state was completely inferior compared to the education my cousins were receiving in New York, where I was born. Nothing has changed and it never will until we increase property taxes, which is how schools are funded back East. Without properly funded education, our schools will always be inferior and there will be teacher shortages. I, myself, tried to make a difference by getting my Bachelor's Degree in Education, but could only teach for 5 years in Arizona because I was having to spend my own paycheck on classroom supplies. Additionally, every year, my job was not secure. School districts were constantly laying off teachers. Then, they would call you back in the middle of the summer (after laying you off so they didn't have to pay for your benefits through the summer months) and ask you to come back the next school year. Who would want to teach under those conditions? Don't even get me started about the pay scale either. Bottom line, until we make education funding a priority in Arizona, schools will not be successful and teachers will not want to teach.

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Posted by Bette House Tetreault on 09/15/2016 at 11:49 PM

Re: “Trump's Childcare Plan Is As Phony as the Rest of His Proposals

Wow, I think I hit a nerve with the usually cool, calm and collected Nintzel.
We must have read different proposals.
I'm enjoying grandkids these days Jim. So don't try to shame me into raising everyone else's kids.
Sorry about your stomach. Try Pepto-Bismol.

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Posted by The Vince of darkness on 09/15/2016 at 10:45 PM

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