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Comment Archives: stories: News & Opinion: Medical MJ

Re: “Legalization Props

AZFMR >>is not gone>> They had a change in management more organizational structure. The grassroots 200+ so far volunteers are being assembled , The grassroots org. that separated from MPP over legal structure and governing policy. They have reorganized either way the outcome of the Nov.
AZFMR is now CRLM
Campaign to Regulate Legalize Marijuana
This was necessary as they are now a licensed PAC with the Sec of ST. This is mostly a group that did a fantastic looking out for the interests of the user and the market collectively. This is your neighbor you family members your community not another harvest.
either way this is the Proposal they will start gather signature in OCT first allowable time. If you care read for yourself see if fits with your values. It has been a long road in sales venicular do you want to take the first pencil from the car dealer?

http://legalizemarijuanainarizona.org/our-…

Posted by Robert Ruckman on 08/26/2016 at 11:18 AM

Re: “The Real Madness

You left out Nixon. His administration created the "schedule" system, and put marijuana on Schedule 1. When people, including scientists and physicians, objected, he created a blue ribbon panel to study the matter, and then promptly ignored their findings. Marijuana has continued to be on Schedule 1 ever since, for no good reason, other than the fact that Nixon associated its use with "hippies" and "negroes."

Posted by Jeffrey Patten on 08/25/2016 at 3:05 PM

Re: “Legalization Props

Just looking at this carrot/caveat depending on conception of understanding of 6 plants. what does that mean? Is that really definitive?

Anyone who has grown more than 2 harvests inside knows it's a joke the yield is so small per plant it would hardly be a market force. Would hardly be a addicted user supply chain Dispensaries and agents know this too.

Rules to be written will do what several state tried and Maine votes rejected. The Point of sell for clones only certain clone will be sold through to be nego, (tbd) outlets.

When a person obtains a clone from a licensed taxing agent. It will be given a tag good for so long. A person will have to apply for and sign a agreement to forgo all rights property & search rights to allow compliance of the agreement.

Basically a Retired police/compliance officer come to the door and says we are here to look at your grow. Retired police that are still in good standing with the DPS license to be a police officer in the state. They are still police carry weapons and can do all the police functions up to Swat Team's.

It also seems inconceivable 6 plants as a definitive amount. I know several older people in rural that would allow family member to obtain and grow 12 plants on their rural property. Outside the harvest could go on for 2 months or better culling the buds much bigger harvest. Then you have the guy trying to save a buck by buying a tent and some lights. hardly equivalent of each other . A stalk of corn grown in a closet or one grown in the field what's going to yield more? Can you just imagine the cost to police that, it will be added onto the price at point of sale.

Yea the only person that would vote for this abortion of personal righs is he one going to the dispensary getting that oil based suppository and need instruction on the application.

User we have gone done the right thing getting MMJ. Some meeting with a legitimate doctor and to so regularly discussing the use I do. We have a force of 90,000+ we need to be heard not represented by the market forces. In Oct we will be present.

VOTE NO PROP 205 KEEPING PERSONAL RIGHTS

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 08/25/2016 at 9:02 AM

Re: “Legalization Props

A very good story on several points addiction & societal resulting in positions taken. The position ADRP will still be enforced Montgomery & Polk will be in a position to negotiate each of their counties. This is a no loss to the political contributions aspects to both.

If 205 passes every county attorney will be in a position to negotiate how marijuana will be enforced. What is now bundled together with Marijuana smoke shops, home growing. Just how does Polk lose, Montgomery can now negotiate on every aspect of what happens in the county.

The rules not even written kind of like we have to vote for it to see what comes. Some look at this as an opportunity others as the wolf in the hen house. Given the past history and how marijuana has been prosecuted. The industries that built and used to support and complement the enforcement, prosecution, probation, abuse counseling, incarnation. All of these industries will continue to flourish and feed off of marijuana prohibition. There will be no change just a new component to the feed chain of Marijuana.

The simple target is to limit the criminal and civil penalties to marijuana use. Prop 205 addresses the right to market and support it. With the criminal simple possession prosecution harshest in all 50 states where's the win for the user.

The AZ Marijuana user has complemented the existing industry to obtaining 90,000 plus MMJ licenses. Everyone know's that this is the distribution for the illegal market in AZ today.

It would not be unreasonable to ask this Market forced entity for relief. Relief from the Jack boot on the back of the neck of the consumer. Relief from frivolous prosecution relief of unreasonable search and enforcement. Repealing the criminal code 13-3405.

However repealing 13-3405 felony for simple possession to be negotiated at every turn. The market representatives know this only bolsters their market control and price. As you can see really nothing for the consumer but limited availability and the harshest persecution of you stray. Every user goes under the bus with this.

Arizona needs to decriminalize before it builds a market. Prop 205 does not do any of this and the representatives don't give a damn. This whole concept was drawn with the idea it could sell the concept of conservative voter base Sun city, Green Valley, Snowbird Capital. They missed the target there too the political profiling is not accurate or comprehensive.

All this does is build another new business feeding of the addiction of marijuana. With a new prohibition effort written by the collective rep of counties attorney's. It gives new laws on so many ancillary businesses that the county attorney's never had. New laws that the counties could not get representative in the legislatures to propose. What is bundled here is a pandora's box.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 08/25/2016 at 8:22 AM

Re: “Legalization Props

I was in favor of the other initiative which did not make the ballot. I am still not sure if I will vote for this one.

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Posted by lc69hunter on 08/25/2016 at 7:42 AM

Re: “Legalization Props

It's fascinating how the fear of "Marihuana" first instilled in the public mind in the 1930's through blatantly deceitful and racist propaganda has endured to this day. The folks at ARDP and their ilk are still drinking that antique, polluted kool-aid. Fortunately, their numbers are rapidly declining along with their delusions of doom.

Vote yes on Prop 205! It's not perfect, but much better than prohibition. Laws in Colorado are evolving to be more reasonable as the benefits of legalization accrue and fears subside. Same will happen here.

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Posted by Don Berry on 08/25/2016 at 3:44 AM

Re: “Cannabis and cancer

The internet was established in 1991.

"The World Wide Web became a global interconnected computer network available to the public on August 6, 1991, according to The Next Web. The first actual instances of connected computers in a network."

"The public history of Gmail dates back to 2004."

Do you want to recheck your dates?

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Posted by You been smokin? on 08/23/2016 at 12:08 PM

Re: “Cannabis and cancer

I am a cancer survivor. In 1985, I
was diagnosed with Ewing’s Sarcoma, a rare type of bone cancer. My
treatment It included 18 months of chemotherapy,
six weeks of
radiation and three surgeries – one to remove the tumor, another to
remove the rib where it resided, and then finally a very invasive lung
biopsy. I was constantly sick, sometimes so much so that I needed to be
in isolation. My immune system was so weakened by the treatment that I
was at high risk of developing other diseases. I lost all of my hair and
a significant amount of weight. After two years of treatment, I was
told to come back in three months for my first check-up.
I read
something about cannabis oil the cure for cancer on the internet and i
decided to give it a trial, i order the medication via email from
ricksimpsoncancerfoundation@gmail.com,
and the medication was delivered to me, i started treatment as
instructed and i can tell you that am still here tell everyone about my
story.

Posted by elisa on 08/23/2016 at 9:42 AM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

Prop 205 was created and funded by MPP (East Coast lobbyists) bent on decriminalizing marijuana. They say we Arizonans should treat marijuana like alcohol but that's not what Prop 205 does.

The Department of Liquor Licenses and Control administers liquor licenses but Prop 205 sets-up the Department of Marijuana Licensing and Control, a whole new bureaucracy, to administer marijuana licenses. Its worth noting that the Arizona Department of Health Services administers medical marijuana licensing (also thanks to MPP) but that was dismissed because medical professionals discourage marijuana use.

Arizona liquor licensees need to be a US citizen (or legal permanent resident) and a resident of Arizona. Arizona marijuana licensees don’t need to be a US citizen (or legal permanent resident) or a resident of Arizona. In theory, El Chapo could get an Arizona marijuana license.

First, I don’t like outsiders telling us Arizonans what we should and shouldn’t do. Next, I really don’t like outsiders drafting AZ legislation … that’s our Legislature’s job. Finally, and most of all, I think this is BAD LAW and we already have our share.

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Posted by SteveC on 08/22/2016 at 6:38 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

Too many old grumpy retired people in Arizona who are against pot and they all vote. They would rather have their expensive pharmaceuticals, most of them far more dangerous than marijuana. It doesn't help that the Chamber of Commerce, backed by big Pharma, is going all out to defeat this proposition.

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Posted by Good Golly on 08/22/2016 at 2:19 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

Take a minute let this soak in the proposed DMLC, will be structured like the Dept of Trans, DOT.

Within the DOT you have the DMV division of motor vehicles. The DMV is where your vehicle and drivers licence as well as title are administered.

When applying for and obtaining a driver's license your sign a agreement for the privilege to drive this is not a RIGHT. This will be similar when anyone signs an agreement even for the 6 to 12 plants per household. Will be signing an agreement to have the DMLC to be the presiding court in civil concerns.

This will be an agreement to have your place spot inspected like a car. Only various strains will be allowed. If caught with a strain out of registry not only will you be prosecuted for felony growth/manufacturing possession of a controlled substance to wit Marijuana. Beside the criminal court you will have the administrative court of the DMLC that levies fines like that of DOT/DMV. This is like alcohol except we will be turning it over to a rouge government.

DMLC will be it's own court, police force, interstate trade negotiator, license agency, collection WTF why do we have a government do we need two?

I just don't know how or why some would think we need this to sell marijuana. Don't take this huckster Holyoak's offer controls is prohibition . This charleton thinks hes has the solution to make prohibition it work where it has not ever. Keeps the status quo of high profits ruined lives, few get riches off the back of the ignorant. Mentally challenged medically needy.

This is the travesty a vote yes will bring. This is just a small penance of issues with this disgusting proposal

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 08/20/2016 at 1:10 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

Dave: So guess you agree with the analogy I take it you agree that some on say Yavapai county can get a felony and several related ancillary related charges for simple possession but in Pima county he walks or a civil fine ? That now each and every county can arbitrarily enact all kinds or retail license reg most dont relate to marijuana tho. Like smoke shops, horticultural supplies. I remember this kind of appeasement for profit and gain. That was called one state slave one state free. So giving some freedom was better than causing problems to making all free.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 08/19/2016 at 4:09 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

Sometimes a step in the right direction may not be the exact direction you want but it is better than where we are at...

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Posted by Dave K, Phoenix, Az on 08/19/2016 at 2:26 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

Carpet Baggers is correct. The political lines have blurred on this issue, at least at the Federal level. The Republican Congress has defunded the DEA on this issue, and in the Congressional Budget Resolution of Dec 2014, told Federal Agencies to leave state legal businesses alone if they were abiding by state law.

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Posted by lc69hunter on 08/19/2016 at 2:23 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

politically speaking; Does anyone understand that it is this republican congress that is constantly reining on the Obama justice department and the DEA? for prosecuting states that have medical marijuana.

They have denied monies for investigation to the DEA. This congress has spearheaded just how monies will be used in states with medical marijuana laws passed. The federal court in CA just threw out many cases brought before the court this week. Following the rules of congress the cases were not in conflict with California law.

In this day and age the political paintbrush is running very thin. It is taking way to many coats to cover up the stains and patches. I think we need a good coat of KILZ and perhaps a new color.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 08/19/2016 at 9:31 AM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

It has to happen this way, tax and regulate means tax and regulate....Arizona is not ready for full free like tomato approach, to not support it would be politically naive.

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Posted by Demitri Yegolas Downing on 08/18/2016 at 8:56 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

Thanks, Carpet Baggers, you brought up some interesting points that I'd like to investigate further. It's beginning to seem like an ugly rock-vs.-hard-place situation for ordinary Arizona citizens who are tired of prohibition.

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Posted by Ex-Arizonan on 08/18/2016 at 8:26 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

You aren't far from the truth Gandalf. We are about to be overrun with former drug runners with our open border sanctuary city status. This is half of the Mexican economy. Democrats hope that they become legal and pay taxes to keep SSI from imploding, because of years of fraud and theft, but it won't solve a thing.

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Posted by Nations Have Borders on 08/18/2016 at 12:06 PM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

Keep MJ illegal. Mexico needs the money.

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Posted by Gandalf the Green on 08/18/2016 at 11:40 AM

Re: “Is Prop 205 Right for Arizona?

I also was in favor of the splinter group from MPP Arizona for Mindful Regulation (AZFMR). While it started late after conflict with the national and personal directives. AZFMR started late a grassroot all local effort gathered 114,240 signatures. I consider this a great effort by the actual users of Marijuana and it's benefits.

I believe one large point that the author missed was the powers that this new "Department of Marijuana License and Control" will have at a state level in collection of revenue. I would think any county attorney would be extremely hobbled by directions of license, tax, fines, as well as preempting over local business licenses on agriculture and grow supply stores.

This new MDLC would be like the DOT, DPS, it would be in the state constitution and very hard to amend without total recall it can't be undone. This MDLC would have it's own administrative court it is entirely possible to be arrested in a county for a felony and that is plea bargained, Then you could be given a civil violation through the administrative arm like DOT does with some violations.

This MDLC will be free to write their rules which NONE are in place now. It would be a total rewrite of all marijuana grow, distribution, marketing laws. It would do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO THE EXISTING CRIMINAL CODE. What it does is allows to have and consume 1 ounce in counties and cities that agree to a simple possession that is IT. This is a PLEA BARGAIN put into place build a new court police and taxing agency to sell pot. NO OTHER STATE LEGALIZED HAS DONE THIS.

Let's get to the 6 plants this is just the carrot to get the ass to pull the cart. If a person wanted to grow 6 plants where is the seed/clone available ? 6 plants outside for a growing season can yield 6 pounds. 6 plants in somebodies closet under artificial light 3 grow season's most are lucky to get 90 gram out of each plant hardly a bumper crop. @ $7.00 a gram averages out to not be cost effective to grow your own. It is this reason the MDLC needs the underground market to keep prices higher to thin margin. With growing artificial the electricity carbon footprint to just grow 1 gram is the same as driving a Prius 25 miles. or running a 100 watt incandescent light bulb for 1000 hours.

Lets say you want to try this endeavor to grow a plant. You go down to this dispensary that has a rider license to sell seed/clone. It is possible that the MDLC will only allow a small variety of plant target at ailments and low thc to keep in compliance. In doing so you fill out paperwork stating you bought a seed/clone and you give up rights to have your home a knock and talk by the MDLC policy agent. you agree to not clone and use this plant with a tag to one grow and a hefty tax fee incl. This is like agreeing when you get a driver's license that the DOT is giving you the privilege to drive MDLC would be giving you the privilege to grow. Can you imagine the DOT made up of car dealers, mechanics and police to enforce. Then they would have their own bank to draw funds to build the department.

This whole initiative was drawn up by Law enforcement and career bureaucrats. This is drawn up to mirror existing collective of state governing and enforcement agencies. This marijuana market already exists it has before dispensaries, or the idea that what some call sin can be made a profit in social structuring.

If you are a consumer of marijuana you would have to be of diminished capacity, unknowledgable, or just a complete fool to think in any way this is legalization in your favor. Their will be absolutely no one as a consumer interest. It is not called for in the initiative and stops all the exist with AZDHS. If passed every marijuana consumer will be adrift in a sea of charlatan healers, huckster carnival pricing, market availability limiting product arbitrary using of tax paid to defend themselves. I just look and watch this Holyoak guy and the remembrance of JOE ISUZU comes to mind.

This is also the reason I could not support AZFMR this department at a state constitutional level cannot be undone or a redo without a repeal by the citizens the state legislature cannot do it.
IT WOULD BE SET IN STONE.

I go to Washington & Oregon both recreational edible can't be over 10mg. Here it will be the same so an edible guy would have to drink 4 cans of soda or eat 1/2 pound of gummy bears and vap and oils are extremely diluted and shatter only for medical which in AZ would be gone.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 08/18/2016 at 8:34 AM

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