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Comment Archives: stories: News & Opinion: The Range: The Tucson Weekly's Daily Dispatch

Re: “Trump's Election Has Been Very Good For K12 Inc.

"You may have heard of Democrats for Education Reform. Like the AFC, it's a vocal charter supporter, though a somewhat quieter voucher supporter." Not sure where you're getting your information from because DFER has never supported vouchers, only charter schools. However, given the fact that you misidentified AFC as AFT throughout the article, perhaps it's not surprising you don't have your facts straight.

Posted by Peter C. Cook on 01/19/2017 at 10:59 PM

Re: “Ward 3 Tucson City Council Candidate Pool Is Filling Up

Excuse me where is the Julian Mazza tag? :p

Posted by Zy Mazza on 01/19/2017 at 9:27 PM

Re: “A Beloved Local Musician in Need: Local Music Superpowers Rally to Help

Screaming all the way from the city of Detroit,Michigan Travis I got you bruhh say no more. (Gofundme)praying you get well soon.

Posted by Darnell Patton on 01/19/2017 at 8:17 PM

Re: “Trump's Election Has Been Very Good For K12 Inc.

Fwiw, DFER announced its opposition to DeVos today....

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Posted by Bill Scheel on 01/19/2017 at 7:48 PM

Re: “Trump's Election Has Been Very Good For K12 Inc.

Liberal plantation?

Sometimes I come back and read my commentary and realize just how much of an ignoramus I truly am.

At least I'm still more of a know it all than the average pinko commie Tucson "progressive" liberal.

Pardon me, my incontinence has struck again. Time for me to get myself unsoiled.

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Posted by What, Again on 01/19/2017 at 3:44 PM

Re: “Southern Arizona Sanctuary Movement Makes a Statement

He never said he would deport "as many as he can."

Fake news.

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Posted by Deport Half As Many As I Should on 01/19/2017 at 3:43 PM

Re: “A Beloved Local Musician in Need: Local Music Superpowers Rally to Help

And you've just warmed my heart on this chilly morning with your beautifully written tribute to a fellow musician and Tucson resident. I can't make it to Tucson, but am headed to GoFundMe to make a donation.

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Posted by riorican on 01/19/2017 at 6:57 AM

Re: “A Dollar a Day, and Other Observations About Ducey's Education Funding Proposal

Given that total funding of Arizona's schools amounts to over $18 billion, $100 million in new funding is a grand 0.5% increase: that's pretty close to nothing -- a rounding error away from nothing, actually.

The point is that Douchey will get a lot more rhetorical mileage from that money than Arizona's schools will get in teacher pay, new programs and materials, or any significant bump in per pupil spending. Douchey is basically giving homeopathic levels of new funding to a school system that is starving to death and talking like he's making a heroic effort to save the patient.

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Posted by MBryan on 01/18/2017 at 11:59 PM

Re: “Trump's Election Has Been Very Good For K12 Inc.

Nice article but disagree with final assessment. The bounce K12 received will not continue if their quarterly reports miss the mark. The election and DeVoss bounce will not support a company whose earnings disappoint.

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Posted by Houston on 01/18/2017 at 8:38 PM

Re: “Trump's Election Has Been Very Good For K12 Inc.

K12 is a great alternative to public schools in Tucson. You can get the required work done in approximately 2 hours per day and then use the rest of the day for advanced learning or life lessons away from liberal indoctrination and the out of control discipline issues occurring in the classroom.

Get your kids out of the liberal Plantation, they are exploiting them for their own personal gain.

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Posted by What, Again on 01/18/2017 at 6:29 PM

Re: “A Dollar a Day, and Other Observations About Ducey's Education Funding Proposal

Ducey didn't sign legislation allowing tax credits for public schools. Liberals added that to the private school credit, which was approved for parents that were being forced to pay twice for education, when they were not using public ed. But I thought public credits could only be used for extra curricular activities as band or art.

If UHS received $300,000 is it reflected in the balance sheet as income to them? So then what is the real cost of a HS education at UHS when the 300K is added to all the other funding sources received?

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Posted by Concerned Mom on 01/18/2017 at 3:37 PM

Re: “Trump's Election Has Been Very Good For K12 Inc.

Students from k-12 have been helped by the election of Donald Trump. As they ask "what is the electoral college and why do the progressives keep talking about winning the popular vote, when it means absolutely nothing?" They seem to be acting more childish than we as students act.

Students band together and ask for a real honest education that includes real historic figures that wrote the Constitution to protect us from enemies from both domestic and foreign. You kids deserve to know the truth so you might as well ask them why they have hid so much from you in some sort of a childish partisan way. Progressive elites use their minions to accomplish sinister goals that uneducated would never fall for.

Then ask, "teacher what happened to Kenny?'

http://unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/hillary-clinton-vanishing-school-children/

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Posted by Public Ed Is So Broken on 01/18/2017 at 3:28 PM

Re: “Trump's Election Has Been Very Good For K12 Inc.

How about shadowing a student through the school day at one of the recently de-magnetized TUSD schools, David, and getting back to us about whether choice policy is needed in Arizona?

These are schools in a district with the highest (desegregation-augmented) per-pupil funding rates in our region, and as magnet schools for a number of years they had authorization to utilize specially designated "magnet" funds. Part of the reason they lost magnet status was they failed to apply the funds in ways authorized by the desegregation authority, i.e. failed to use the funds properly to achieve benefit for target populations and attract students of a different demographic from outside the neighborhood.

What should students whose neighborhood public district school is one of these malfunctioning institutions do? Go down and speak in the Call to the Audience at a TUSD Board meeting to "I-take-home-$500K-per-year-of-your-tax dollars" HT Sanchez? It's hard to find many signs in this man's record in office that he gives a good Goddam about supporting school sites serving primarily the disadvantaged, as he uses newly available funding sources to give band uniforms to UHS before any other school in the district, and now this year to Tucson High Magnet: both schools that have among the largest tax credit donation totals in the district and also private foundations raising money for them. Then there were his repeated attempts to create a Fruchthendler to Sabino direct-feed pipeline, relieving parents utilizing an affluent-area TUSD elementary school (the one his own children happen to attend) and an affluent-area TUSD high school from having to enroll their children in a TUSD middle school serving (shudder) the disadvantaged.

Don't know about you, but if I were a parent with limited resources who'd had an up-close-and-personal view of what TUSD offers to its less affluent constituents, I'd be taking advantage of AZ's choice policies. Before running another article like this, David, I suggest you interview a few families who've used choice policies to opt out of Ochoa or Utterback or a few Hispanic families who use tax credits to enroll their kids in a Catholic school that is higher functioning than their neighborhood public school. But -- oops -- that would be something a real journalist does, not a propagandist pitching the same sad, hollow ideological BS you usually pitch here.

The day we see the majority of Fruchthendler parents with other options available enrolling their kids in Magee (or Utterback) for Middle School is the day I'll believe it's safe to start opposing choice policy. Until then, blocking choice policy serves families utilizing public district schools in affluent neighborhoods -- families like the (TUSD Sup) Sanchez family and the (Arizona Education Network former TUSD Board candidate and anti-choice organizer) Darland family. It does not serve the poor.

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Posted by How about some real journalism for a change? on 01/18/2017 at 3:16 PM

Re: “A Dollar a Day, and Other Observations About Ducey's Education Funding Proposal

...and let's not forget that public schools with high test scores not only serve students who have more support of various kinds in their homes, they serve students whose families invest hundreds of thousands and sometimes millions of dollars in their schools, both privately donated funds, through foundations and 501c3s supporting public schools, and, in Arizona, "tax credits." The schools serving the most affluent already have plenty of supplementary funding to apply, and their students don't have as many unmet needs, e.g. most have access to plenty of technology in their homes.

Private foundations supporting affluent public districts in Southern Arizona:
http://cfsdfoundation.org
http://tvseef.org

Beginning on p. 14 of this TUSD manual,
http://www.tusd1.org/sdm/documents/handbook.pdf
there are charts reporting tax credit contributions at various district schools. UHS, a selective TUSD high school with high test scores that serves a population more affluent than most TUSD schools' populations, had over $300K in tax credit funds to apply in the last school year reported. In the same year, many schools serving low-SES students had less than $10K to apply.

Way to go, Ducey. Coals to Newcastle: what brilliant public policy.

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Posted by This is "Hunger Games" education policy. on 01/18/2017 at 2:05 PM

Re: “A Dollar a Day, and Other Observations About Ducey's Education Funding Proposal

There are no potholes in Phoenix. What gives?

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Posted by Dave Nelson on 01/18/2017 at 1:42 PM

Re: “A Dollar a Day, and Other Observations About Ducey's Education Funding Proposal

Carlos Ruiz:

David Safier did acknowledge that there will be a greater funding weight for low income / high performing schools. Here is what he wrote:

"His plan gives more money to top 10 percent schools where more than 60 percent of their students qualify for free and reduced lunch$400 per student at the lower income schools compared to $225 per student at the othersmeaning his plan is significantly more generous to schools whose high test scores beat the odds."

As for your assertion that "it's up to the school leaders to make the choices to expand, replicate or improve." This seems to assume that whether or not to "excel" is a CHOICE leaders of schools serving low-SES populations can make and whether or not they make it into the top 10% is somehow a test of their will and character. Those who make these kinds of arguments tend to like free market mechanisms. Consider this aspect of the free market: the wage rates in the teaching profession are so low in Arizona and the conditions in many schools are so poor (due in part to the brutal elimination of the kinds of social service programs that make it possible for families working for low wages to provide the right kind of support for their children outside of school) that Arizona has one of the worst teacher shortages in the nation. Our certified teachers are refusing to work in the profession for which they have been educated by the thousands and many of our classrooms are filled with unqualified or unqualified long term substitutes. In most cases schools serving low income families have higher rates of classrooms filled with uncertified, insufficiently qualified teachers than schools serving high income families. This is not a level playing field on which to "compete" for the "prize" of funding supplements which, however the distribution of scores shake out in any particular year, will only go to the top 10% and will always exclude 90%.

I don't often agree with David Safier, but I do agree with him on this point: this is BULLSHIT education policy, so certifiably insane when looked at from the perspective of anyone who knows education and the conditions in our public schools that you wonder if we have finally fallen off the edge of the known world, or down the rabbit hole with Alice into some weird pseudo-reality. Are we characters in a bizarre farce someone is writing? It would seem so. (And we wonder why our children are attracted to literature like the "Hunger Games" series. It's because it's a heightened version of the reality they are actually living out in the institutions most of them utilize for their "education": a sick Darwinian rigged game of survival of the fittest.)

An aside to David Safier: I think you probably know, David, that part of the perception that drives the people behind "independent schools," schools which operate privately and separately from the public district and charter system is that they don't want to be forced to adopt government policies about how to educate their students and they don't want to utilize government-mandated standardized testing. They feel that the structure of public schooling, where policy is determined by politicians and not by professionals in the field of education, ends up forcing inhumane policies on students and insupportable conditions on teachers. When it comes to education in Arizona, it is clear that they are right, and this is one reason among many why we cannot eliminate education choice policies before we gain enough control of the public district system that we can prevent "Hunger Games" structures like this from being forced on our schools. Given what Arizona is and has been for the past couple of decades, locking kids into a system that has been allowed to deteriorate to this extent is not ethical, and, contra the overly simplistic, self-serving, and reductive Democratic party agenda, increasing funding will not by itself solve all the problems a malfunctioning public system has developed during the past 20 years of misguided education policy in this state.

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Posted by This is "Hunger Games" education policy. on 01/18/2017 at 11:34 AM

Re: “Laughing Stock: Safe Space for Dirty Comedy

Ah, the snowflakes might melt. If you don't like it walk out. Women of course never objectify men. Haha.

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Posted by bslap on 01/18/2017 at 10:29 AM

Re: “The Fake News Frenzy

The News might not be literally fake, but the media has had a vendetta against Mr. Trump and the people he represents.
For years the media establishment has supported mass immigration, globalization at expense of the working class, LGBQTXYZ-ism and other causes that most Americans really don't support while for the most part denigrating most traditional values of the working class.
So while the "fake news" charges are hyperbole (hyperbole from Mr. Trump???) the political fight of the middle and working classes against the media establishment has valid reasons behind it.

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Posted by bslap on 01/18/2017 at 9:58 AM

Re: “A Dollar a Day, and Other Observations About Ducey's Education Funding Proposal

Great, more potholes! Thanks for literally driving the state into the ditch Mr. Ducey!

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Posted by bslap on 01/18/2017 at 9:53 AM

Re: “A Dollar a Day, and Other Observations About Ducey's Education Funding Proposal

The thing is, he is still robbing Peter (Hurf, road funds) to pay Paul (schools). On top of that, a legislator is finally proposing added tax to fix roads (http://tucson.com/news/local/lawmaker-is-seeking--cent-hike-in-arizona-s-gas/article_d0745c84-d084-5000-a4eb-b3d043e7eace.html). But until the state gets back to honoring its line item funding/expense I don't see how any of this does any good. Voters specifically voted for school tax money which went elsewhere (remember the $300M?) and other things I have probably forgotten, but Ducey is not managing that way and legislators seem to follow him at this point.

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Posted by MaryE2 on 01/18/2017 at 9:03 AM

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