Gee, Becky Deloy McIntyre, could you be a little more snobbish? I don't think you trashed Tucson quite hard enough.
Strange as it may sound it is actually a relief to know there are others who had the same experience I had. Another of Bob Meehan's clones is Jerry Gaither who works in Corpus Christi. I hope as laws change these ppl will no longer be able to abuse and torment children!!!!!!
All of the survivor stories sound so similar to my experience with PDAP. Sadly there is a female version of Bob Meehan that works in South Teas by the name of Andrea Lacy. She copies all of Meehan's dirty tricks and attitudes. So glad i was smart enough to get away from this cult before it destroyed me.
Fact is, Tucson is a great place to visit - my wife and I are former Tucsonans who moved to Bisbee 26 years ago and love it here but who go to Tucson for concerts and other events frequently. As someone who remembers Tucson when downtown had Steinfeld's, Jacome's, Myerson's, the Pioneer Hotel, etc., it is very gratifying to see downtown jumping again. As someone who came from Tucson's southwest side, I can only say that the mom and pop restaurants are still wonderful. the upscale restaurants downtown are superb ( Maynards, Agustin Kitchen, the Cup, etc.) Bisbee also has much to offer visitors and those seeking a smaller scale of life. It has - with one exception - nothing BUT mom and pop restaurants (there is a Burger King for the masochistic) and the choices are quite varied. Small town life will not appeal to all but it sure does to us. It is easy to make a good life here, where talented, educated, artistic, quirky people of all types and lifestyles abound. To know all your neighbors, to sit on the front porch (remember front porches?) and chat with people walking by is a very pleasant way to live. Alas, there ain't much retail shopping, but the rest is all good. And we are very grateful for visitors, as are most who live here. And remember, there's much more to Bisbee than downtown.
past bisbee - Apparently you haven't been here for a while. Old Bisbee Brewery has seasonal beers that change approximately quarterly. Currently, they are featuring Holy Grail, made with indigenous hops hand picked in the Mule Mountains and Father Kino Wheat Beer, made with organic wheat, grown in Marana, that was a long-lost variety initially introduced to the area by Father Kino. They are the only microbrewery in Arizona malting this variety of wheat in house (although one or two Tucson microbreweries and a bakery are also utilizing the same wheat, OBB is taking it a step further). Their seasonal beer over the holidays was a stunning apricot vanilla brandy porter - the best beer I've ever tasted. They won best microbrewery in Arizona in 2013. They artfully produce so much more than Copper City Ale (a recipe that they resurrected that was first made in the Gulch in the 1800s). As for restaurant options, apparently you haven't yet experienced several newcomers including Table Ten, Contessa's Cantina, and the Quarry. I have not yet personally experienced Table Ten but have heard nothing but great things about it. Since you apparently dislike Santiago's (you know what they say about opinions), Contessa's, a short walk up Main Street, might be more to your taste as it is more home style Sonoran. And the Quarry has raised the bar on the Gulch and Old Bisbee in general with comfort food and well-executed cocktails serve from breakfast into the wee hours (to go along with their constant stream of local and out of town live musical offerings). Just bringing you up to speed as your commentary doesn't appear to be based on the current conditions in Bisbee. It is totally worth the visit.
Bisbee is definitely worth visiting! You can't compare Tucson to Bisbee. Tucson is a big, noisy, traffic-y freeway-of-a-city. Tucson is a place you want to drive TO for a show or to shop, then leave. Vacation there? Why would you? It's hotter than hell there in the summer; people in Tucson go to Bisbee to "get away from it all" and to get to a better climate. In Bisbee, we like Thuy's Vietnamese Pho when we're in town, staying at the Toland Adobe, a Bisbee vacation rental (which we own). We prefer vacation rentals (and have stayed at a couple of other nice VRs in Bisbee-- there are quite a few) over hotels. Some of them, like ours, have private yards, which is much nicer than being stuck inside (particularly if you are bringing kids or a dog or two but also if you want to chill out on a patio after a long day on your feet). You can also share the cost of a vacation rental as easily as a hotel room. I agree with other posters that one day in Bisbee isn't enough. I always recommend that people get off of Main Street/Tombstone Canyon and wander around in the neighborhoods up the mountain. Take a drive over to the Warren and Lowell sections, too.
As a former resident of Bisbee here's my two cents: Santiagos is infinitely miss-able. Over-priced, poor service and a real disappointment for anyone with a shred of taste for the good, authentic Mexican so ubiquitous in Tucson. It's not even the best Mexican in Bisbee (try Neariah's near Safeway, but make sure you're not in a hurry). Santiago's a safe, glossy tourist joint serving bland Californian versions of proper Mexican dishes. If a meatball sub is really what you're craving (it could happen) Jimmy's Hot Dogs is the real deal if you want a gut bomb. Cafe Roka is, again, the best Bisbee has to offer in its category because it is utterly uncontested, which shows. The wine list is great, but if you've eaten there once consider your Roka experience complete because the menu never changes with any appreciable boldness. Same appetizers, same side veg, same entrees with the same sauce for years. Save your money and splurge on a good bottle of wine at the High Desert Cafe. Old Bisbee Brewing is fine but a year or so back they decided to make fewer varieties of beer (sadly discontinuing a lovely wheat beer) to sell more volume of a few popular beers. Again, if you live there the same Copper Ale coming out of this magnificent facility gets monotonous, especially when Tucson is spoiled with so many creative brewers. Thankfully, breakfast is what Bisbee does well and all of the places mentioned are decent. But then, let's be honest, this is the real problem. In Bisbee, you're choices are limited to decent options that, in Tucson, would barely be worth a mention, which begs the question, aside from the quirk and 15 degree temperature shift, is Bisbee really worth visiting?
Apparently, this article really was only concerned with one person's experience on a one-day trip to Bisbee. It would have been more useful to have given a number of options for some of the better dining establishments in Bisbee, as well as options for lodging (of which there are many!).
One that you really missed is Santiago's, a very nice Mexican restaurant right next to the Copper Queen Hotel. Santiago's was listed by Arizona Highways as one of the best Arizona restaurants in an issue published in July 2012 - http://santiagosmexican.blogspot.com/ The mole at Santiago's is to die for...
And the other micro-brewery, which fewer visitors get to see because of its location, is Beast Brewing, on Highway 92 west of Naco Highway. It's the first of its kind in Arizona, being formerly owned by Electric Dave. Jim and Amanda Gibson brew some mighty fine beer, its well worth the trip to the west side. Fact is, there's a lot to see, do, eat and drink here in the majestic but mellow Mule Mountains.
Heather, you missed a great opportunity in Bisbee. Hazel's Table Ten is truly amazing! http://highroads.az.aaa.com/article/taste-…
I'm a vegan for 24 years and I don't order quinoa bowls. Most vegans who go to places like Poco tend to order the fun food. So if you recommend doing as the vegans do, enjoy the nachos or a mock chicken burrito.
A couple of pints at Old Bisbee Brewery are a must. This was the winner of Best Microbrewery in Arizona in 2013 and the beer and the people are outstanding! The Quarry is a must-do for breakfast. The Eggs Benedict are delicious and the Blood Mary's are chock-full of house-pickled veggies that just put them over the top. If you take Mike Anderson's advice and head toward Naco, Turquoise Valley Golf Club serves up some tasty food and drinks. Also, have a cold beer and shoot some pool at Gay 90's a couple of blocks around the corner and right on the border.
While Old Bisbee and the remnants of Lowell certainly have a lot to offer tourists, there is much more to see and do in "Mayberry on Acid." The writers evidently missed seeing Warren, the section of Bisbee with the nicest homes (think Armory Park, Sam Hughes and Snob Hollow in Tucson) and a true historic gem, Warren Ballpark. The Vista, a linear park in Warren, is lined by tree-shaded homes dating from the early 20th century. For those who enjoy farmers' markets, Bisbee has a really good one, every Saturday morning on the Vista across from Warren Ballpark. Also in Warren, on Arizona Street (the main drag in Warren) is Mornings, the best place (in my opinion and that of many other locals) for breakfast in Bisbee. Warren Ballpark, which can be toured by appointment, is the oldest ballpark and multi-sport facility in America, dating back to 1909 and is still in regular use. For fine dining, try Rosa's Little Italy on Bisbee Rd. And wait - there's more! West of the traffic circle on Highway 92 is Jimmy's Hot Dogs, a nationally known Chicago-style hot dog restaurant that will make you think you're back in the Windy City. Further south down Naco Road, on the border, is the border community of Naco. Camp Naco, a World War I-era adobe fort used by the Buffalo Soldiers to protect the border in the turbulent days of the Mexican Revolution is just down the street from the Turquoise Valley Golf Course and Country Club. So visit Old Bisbee and enjoy, but don't forget there's much more to see and do while in the Warren Mining District.
So here I am, a family man (Family of Six), business owner (Construction and Maintenance Contractor) moving to Arizona from Texas DFW area. I looked at some property today in the Three Points area. Found just utter beauty in the land and mountain ranges surrounding the area. Thought to myself, "I can make this work, the land was rough (Meaning not well maintained by the current resident) but the potential was there. Now after researching and finding articles like this definitely makes the common sense part of my mind say "Brother, this is a black hole and not worth risking your family in". I am a recovering addict. I know all to well the toll drugs takes draining the life of a small community. The only way you can save it is to actively engage each resident in participating in facing the problem. You can't just blame the government's lack of Intrest. You have start at the local level and make it attractive for the government officials to believe it's worth devoting their efforts. If they see articles like this, well, they are left their own beliefs that this community is best left to denigrate and implode as it has proven to do. I've seen communities turn around their reputations by rallying together, rolling up their sleeves, and drawing a line taking on the battle head on going door to door if needed. Getting good families to help, and letting the bad folks know their days are limited. The town sounds like it needs to develop a police force of its own and have the schools incorporate functions that involves the community and family members. I honestly felt something special while I was in the area and the land's spirit was enticing. I want to believe that there's good there but I find it hard to risk my family and kids to such a environment. Please if there is anything more on a positive note about Three Points let me know. Thanks!!
Somethings are just not meant to be found. Don't mess with power of any sort. It's not smart.
I just watched this on Tv..Real sad that I wanted to read more deap.I had taught he was dead. .I hope This mother have found the peace n strength ..God bless that family .I would have you in my prayers. .
I was born and raised in Morenci and Dr. O'leary delivered both my kids, Leticia Osborn in 1978, and Rick Chanez in 1979. He had horses in the morenci corrals that we could ride, I remember one horse her name was muneca, doll in english. Lots of good memories of Dr. O'leary. God bless him and his family.
thats all mexicans do is sleep
Pima Mujer, there is an interesting crisis brewing in the school suit. The parties are now in "settlement" talks. If they fail to settle and the judge enters a final judgment, who is going to enforce that judgment? The sheriff normally does that, but in this case, we're talking about Joe Arpaio, who is not likely to do so. How does a state court force the state to obey a court order without the assistance of the designated police power? Interesting question (one that goes all the way back to a case called Marbury v. Madison!) We could be facing a breakdown of the rule of law in Arizona over this case.
We have been here for 5 winters, and have been scammed twice. The first scam was thin sheeting on our roof. We called the company when the leaks started; they came to fix it and charged $1,200. It still leaked. We asked around and a reputable roofer said no one ever even tried to fix it. Now we have a loan application of $12,000 for roof replacement.
The second scam was a floor and tile cleaner. $800 for washing our floors. Dirty grout is still there. )-;
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