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Sister while you may have some points its necessary to understand the deen from a deeper perspective and understand the roles we occupy.. I do not agree with your actions as well and we need to always look back to how the Prophet sas used to deal with such issues for they did occur during his time as well. Even if you intended to be peaceful, just the fact that you showed up is provocative. There are other ways of standing up for your religion than foolishness which is how I see such things. If however, you had supported and coordinated with the ICT to have an open house inviting people to ICT to gain information and answer questions, I am sure you would have had better reactions from people, and while i am in no position to say what Allah would or would not accept or how he would judge, I might suppose a proactive instead of reactive position would receive greater ajr.

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Posted by Hanin on 07/19/2015 at 6:01 PM

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Assalamu alaikum.

I'm Sumayyah Dawud, the organizer of the Stand Up Against Hate counter-protest. I am appalled that almost the entirety of this article is dedicated to backbiting and slandering me. This is especially appalling when it comes from a Muslim who should know better.

I created the event page in the early stages once I heard the bigots were planning on protesting the ICT mosque with a similar plan of action as was done to protest the mosque in Phoenix. In the early stages of organizing, I reached out and sent a message to ICT's Facebook account as well as a message to Maryam Mir, the one who wrote this article. Neither was ever responded to and in the case of ICT, Facebook stamped the message as indicating it had been read. Further, on the event page I stated multiple times that we were more than willing to work with ICT to support them as that was the whole intent from the beginning and to make sure that our counter-protest would not create a hardship. Despite all of this, no one from ICT reached out to me even though my contact information was readily available.

Only in the week before the event, did ICT reach out and we came to a conclusion that if the bigots were to cancel their protest, we would either cancel ours or move it to an alternate location which we did.

Maryam makes assumptions and accusations about my intent of the rally as well as my background yet never actually took the time to talk to me before writing this article of backbiting and slander. I used to live in Tucson and I have been to ICT on multiple occasions. Further, scholars and leaders do not necessarily have to be obeyed in Islam when they are not ruling by the Qur'an and the Sunnah. Defense of the Muslim community is an obligatory duty of Muslims. Shura or not, the fact is that bigots were planning on protesting a mosque with firearms and some of them posted threats of violence (and activists on our page reported these threats to law enforcement).

If Maryam's slander wasn't bad enough, she took it further and compared me--a Muslim who was standing up in defense of the Muslim community and potentially risking my own life in doing so--to the islamophobic bigots themselves. Her statements actually indicated that in many ways she considered me worse than the bigots. If you think a Muslim who stands up in defense of the Muslim community is worse than islamophobes wanting to eradicate Islam from the face of the earth, then you are a disbeliever. End of story. Think wisely about what you post because Allah (swt) is watching.

Maryam chose to attack my character and what I was trying to do to support my Muslim community. Maybe you don't consider Tucson "my community" but I am a member of the Muslim ummah and we are all ONE community regardless of where we live or come from. Backbiting and slander are sins in Islam and those who engage in them can expect to be held accountable on Youm al-Qiyamah (Judgment Day).

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Posted by Sumayyah Dawud on 07/19/2015 at 3:24 PM

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After today's tragic news in TN, this article is poorly timed.

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Posted by Rat t on 07/16/2015 at 10:14 PM

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The problem now is that there are plenty of proposals in that will do this under such a lame price structure. It's just a scham no matter how it gets sliced, and the city will throw away 600k to find out just how stupid they are. The city will get exactly what it wants to pay for, 600k for nada. Our tax dollars at work... One way or another.

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Posted by Andreas Hohl on 07/16/2015 at 7:37 PM

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The problem now is that there are plenty of proposals in that will do this under such a lame price structure. It's just a scham no matter how it gets sliced, and the city will throw away 600k to find out just how stupid they are. The city will get exactly what it wants to pay for, 600k for nada.

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Posted by Andreas Hohl on 07/16/2015 at 7:36 PM

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If you think that Islam is compatible in the west in it's current form, you are living with your heads in the sand. Let me guess, not a single one of you were deployed to the middle east in the past 20 years.

They don't assimilate. The Koran will always be served before any national flag.

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Posted by Old Pueblo Independent on 07/16/2015 at 1:00 PM

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Mr. Workman, I guess it boils down to what is considered to be scared ground. If you believe Mr. Wendsler Nosie Sr. or Mr Terry. Rambler, it could encompass virtually everything. Under that interpretation any activity conducted on public lands could be halted by anyone by just claiming the site is scared ground.

Even the members of the San Carlos Apache tribe are sharply divided on this issue. Many members of the tribe have questioned their leadership's actions and the manner in which these actions have been carried out.

Link
http://www.eacourier.com/opinion/letters_to_editor/letter-to-the-editor-return-the-holy-ground-crosses-from/article_db1423ea-1f7e-11e5-8e59-c354f02c70ca.html

https://arizonadailyindependent.com/2015/07/08/apaches-question-actions-of-their-leadership/

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Posted by David Briggs on 07/16/2015 at 10:01 AM

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"Suppose They Gave a Hate Rally... And No One Came....:" That would be nice!

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Posted by Dave Gallagher on 07/16/2015 at 9:00 AM

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The Dean Remingtons of the world are just hate-filled. It's not about free speech, it's about intimidation.

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Posted by bslap on 07/16/2015 at 8:50 AM

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Mr. Briggs, thank you for bringing to light the relevant portions of the text. The historical framework certainly has emotional appeal, because something native to our minds, morality, objects to the US' bad faith dealings with Natives. But in more legal terms, I would guess history draws out some of the reasons for the federal trust relationship with Natives, speaks to why Oak Flat is in bad faith, and furthermore speaks to concrete injustices in the present extending out from the past. But even more, I believe, the repeal has to do with present and future considerations. This is part of what my article tries to communicate. Sacred lands form an integral part of Native cultures and their preservation and reproduction, and ultimately the right to self-determine. The right of self determination, religious conscience, culture seem far superior to economic gain or, in the case of the San Francisco Peaks, even, "multiple use doctrine" (for Crissake).

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Posted by Tim Workman on 07/15/2015 at 6:11 PM

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Mr. Workman's guest opinion concerning Oak Flat has identified several issues which I believe need to be debated. Mining Law has been modified, but it has not really addressed current problems. The concept of "Responsible Development of Natural Resources" is a nice phrase but with little consensus of what those words really mean. One point that really concerns me is the way the "land exchange" occurred. This action goes against the way government is supposed to function; those who manipulated the process are at fault, and they are losing the trust of those who are trying to believe in government (especially democratic government). Finally, respect of indigenous cultures had been absent throughout history and governments have used many suspect rationales and excuses for their actions. Let's get into a real discussion of "what is right", and let's remember that Laws are meant to achieve Justice, but laws may not be just!

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Posted by Michae Nelson on 07/14/2015 at 3:06 PM

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Ms. Judy - the mining law has been updated ~20+ times since its inception and has served the country well - providing incentive for private companies to explore the country, spend hundreds of billions of dollars to develop the nations mineral resources and in the process help the US become an industrial nation rather than an isolated agrarian country dependent on all those around us for the minerals we need. This one operation will provide 25% of the copper needed by Americans and bring in ~60 billion to the Arizona economy in a mining district that has been producing copper since before Arizona statehood. Mother nature blessed Arizona with copper - this is our contribution to the nation - not vast fields of soy and corn, organic yogurt empires, strawberry and tulip farms, or kaolin clay. None of those operations are possible without copper to run motors, pumping systems, lights, and timers. Why not be part of the solution to make the project the best project possible from an environmental and sustainable perspective. We need copper and other metals - make it happen in the least damaging method possible.

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Posted by SilverSaguaro on 07/12/2015 at 5:55 PM

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Let's discuss the mountain high toxic tailings from the mine just outside Superior shall we?

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Posted by Judy Kachelmeyer on 07/12/2015 at 11:41 AM

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You have not spoken to anybody that practiced religion before recorded time. So that may not be true.

When the Confederate Flag was taken down today they gave it to the Confederate War Museum is it was representative of the Confederate Army.

20 years from now children will be lied to. They will never know what it actually stood for.

Does this fit the definition of ethnic cleansing?

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Posted by David W on 07/10/2015 at 2:16 PM

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Mr. Workman, I would also like to remind you the articles that I have written in support of Resolution Copper reflect my opinion not theirs. Responsible development of our nation's resources benefits all Americans., including those who oppose the project.

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Posted by David Briggs on 07/10/2015 at 10:35 AM

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Mr. Tim Workman, with regard to your statement that the repeal has nothing to do with past injustices, have you actually read H.R. 2811?

Here is quote from page 3 of H.R. 2811:

"The Tonto National Forest in which Oak Flat is located was established in 1905 from the ancestral homelands of the Tonto Apache and other American Indians who were forcibly removed at gunpoint from the Oak Flat area and other areas of the Tonto National Forest by the United States Army in the 1880s and imprisoned in other areas, including what is now the San Carlos Apache Reservation, located approximately 15 miles from Oak Flat, where Apaches were held as prisoners of war until the early 1900s. "

Here is another quote from page of 4 of H. R. 2811:

American Indian tribes have ceded or have had taken from them millions of acres of land to help build the United States and have suffered under Federal assimilationist policies that sought to destroy tribal cultures. Despite these policies, American Indians continue to practice their religions as they have done for thousands of years. American Indian places of worship, or sacred areas, are often land based, including mountains, streams, and trees. As a result of previous Federal land policies that resulted in the significant loss of lands of American Indian tribes, many sacred areas of tribes are now located on Federal lands.

I strong suggest you read H. R. 2811. Here is the link.

Link
https://www.congress.gov/114/bills/hr2811/BILLS-114hr2811ih.pdf

David Briggs

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Posted by David Briggs on 07/09/2015 at 10:59 PM

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Please define "dawn of time." Weren't the Navajo and Apaches the last Native Americans to arrive in the desert southwest only shortly before the Spaniards? Prospectors and miners are part and parcel of Arizona Territorial and state history, just as are the Native Americans of many different groups. I love how Mr. Workman thinks Apaches are some uniform entity. Wow! Patronizing.
Miners, geologists, engineers, metallurgists, and environmental professionals (including Native American professionals) are working to secure our technology future in the least damaging methods possible here in the U.S. Want to push all that mineral development to some South American, Asian, or African country so you don't have any impact of your lifestyle in your back yard? Who and what will be impacted by your actions?

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Posted by SilverSaguaro on 07/09/2015 at 10:17 PM

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Flake and McCain must be voted out of office a.s.a.p. Here is a link to a photo essay about a protest at Flake's Tucson office back in February 2015: http://ricardosmall.smugmug.com/PROTEST/Oa…

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Posted by Ricardo Small on 07/09/2015 at 4:50 PM

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Would you expect that they have no opinion? My thought was that are are very few in this fight that have any money invested. Unless I was unaware of others involvement in it.

We have historically waded through claims of ancient holy lands to be given "casino appropriate status" for years. Odd that few fight casinos.

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Posted by David W on 07/09/2015 at 4:23 PM

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OK, I'll bite. Thank you for the extra links, Mr. Briggs. Thank you also for reminding us that the mining company has an opinion on the Oak Flat acquisition.

In reference to your article and curious non-argument "Dwelling on our past," I only have to say that the repeal has nothing to do with "past injustices," as you emphasize, and everything to do with present injustices. The past injustices (no mention of Apache wars) in the repeal appear to have legal consequences, and serve to draw out the fiduciary duty of the government mentioned in subsequent paragraphs.

Thanks,

TW

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Posted by Tim Workman on 07/09/2015 at 3:20 PM

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