Mr. Workman, I guess it boils down to what is considered to be scared ground. If you believe Mr. Wendsler Nosie Sr. or Mr Terry. Rambler, it could encompass virtually everything. Under that interpretation any activity conducted on public lands could be halted by anyone by just claiming the site is scared ground.
Even the members of the San Carlos Apache tribe are sharply divided on this issue. Many members of the tribe have questioned their leadership's actions and the manner in which these actions have been carried out.
"Suppose They Gave a Hate Rally... And No One Came....:" That would be nice!
The Dean Remingtons of the world are just hate-filled. It's not about free speech, it's about intimidation.
Mr. Briggs, thank you for bringing to light the relevant portions of the text. The historical framework certainly has emotional appeal, because something native to our minds, morality, objects to the US' bad faith dealings with Natives. But in more legal terms, I would guess history draws out some of the reasons for the federal trust relationship with Natives, speaks to why Oak Flat is in bad faith, and furthermore speaks to concrete injustices in the present extending out from the past. But even more, I believe, the repeal has to do with present and future considerations. This is part of what my article tries to communicate. Sacred lands form an integral part of Native cultures and their preservation and reproduction, and ultimately the right to self-determine. The right of self determination, religious conscience, culture seem far superior to economic gain or, in the case of the San Francisco Peaks, even, "multiple use doctrine" (for Crissake).
Mr. Workman's guest opinion concerning Oak Flat has identified several issues which I believe need to be debated. Mining Law has been modified, but it has not really addressed current problems. The concept of "Responsible Development of Natural Resources" is a nice phrase but with little consensus of what those words really mean. One point that really concerns me is the way the "land exchange" occurred. This action goes against the way government is supposed to function; those who manipulated the process are at fault, and they are losing the trust of those who are trying to believe in government (especially democratic government). Finally, respect of indigenous cultures had been absent throughout history and governments have used many suspect rationales and excuses for their actions. Let's get into a real discussion of "what is right", and let's remember that Laws are meant to achieve Justice, but laws may not be just!
Ms. Judy - the mining law has been updated ~20+ times since its inception and has served the country well - providing incentive for private companies to explore the country, spend hundreds of billions of dollars to develop the nations mineral resources and in the process help the US become an industrial nation rather than an isolated agrarian country dependent on all those around us for the minerals we need. This one operation will provide 25% of the copper needed by Americans and bring in ~60 billion to the Arizona economy in a mining district that has been producing copper since before Arizona statehood. Mother nature blessed Arizona with copper - this is our contribution to the nation - not vast fields of soy and corn, organic yogurt empires, strawberry and tulip farms, or kaolin clay. None of those operations are possible without copper to run motors, pumping systems, lights, and timers. Why not be part of the solution to make the project the best project possible from an environmental and sustainable perspective. We need copper and other metals - make it happen in the least damaging method possible.
Let's discuss the mountain high toxic tailings from the mine just outside Superior shall we?
You have not spoken to anybody that practiced religion before recorded time. So that may not be true.
When the Confederate Flag was taken down today they gave it to the Confederate War Museum is it was representative of the Confederate Army.
20 years from now children will be lied to. They will never know what it actually stood for.
Does this fit the definition of ethnic cleansing?
Mr. Workman, I would also like to remind you the articles that I have written in support of Resolution Copper reflect my opinion not theirs. Responsible development of our nation's resources benefits all Americans., including those who oppose the project.
Mr. Tim Workman, with regard to your statement that the repeal has nothing to do with past injustices, have you actually read H.R. 2811?
Here is quote from page 3 of H.R. 2811:
"The Tonto National Forest in which Oak Flat is located was established in 1905 from the ancestral homelands of the Tonto Apache and other American Indians who were forcibly removed at gunpoint from the Oak Flat area and other areas of the Tonto National Forest by the United States Army in the 1880s and imprisoned in other areas, including what is now the San Carlos Apache Reservation, located approximately 15 miles from Oak Flat, where Apaches were held as prisoners of war until the early 1900s. "
Here is another quote from page of 4 of H. R. 2811:
American Indian tribes have ceded or have had taken from them millions of acres of land to help build the United States and have suffered under Federal assimilationist policies that sought to destroy tribal cultures. Despite these policies, American Indians continue to practice their religions as they have done for thousands of years. American Indian places of worship, or sacred areas, are often land based, including mountains, streams, and trees. As a result of previous Federal land policies that resulted in the significant loss of lands of American Indian tribes, many sacred areas of tribes are now located on Federal lands.
I strong suggest you read H. R. 2811. Here is the link.
Please define "dawn of time." Weren't the Navajo and Apaches the last Native Americans to arrive in the desert southwest only shortly before the Spaniards? Prospectors and miners are part and parcel of Arizona Territorial and state history, just as are the Native Americans of many different groups. I love how Mr. Workman thinks Apaches are some uniform entity. Wow! Patronizing.
Miners, geologists, engineers, metallurgists, and environmental professionals (including Native American professionals) are working to secure our technology future in the least damaging methods possible here in the U.S. Want to push all that mineral development to some South American, Asian, or African country so you don't have any impact of your lifestyle in your back yard? Who and what will be impacted by your actions?
Flake and McCain must be voted out of office a.s.a.p. Here is a link to a photo essay about a protest at Flake's Tucson office back in February 2015: http://ricardosmall.smugmug.com/PROTEST/Oa…
Would you expect that they have no opinion? My thought was that are are very few in this fight that have any money invested. Unless I was unaware of others involvement in it.
We have historically waded through claims of ancient holy lands to be given "casino appropriate status" for years. Odd that few fight casinos.
OK, I'll bite. Thank you for the extra links, Mr. Briggs. Thank you also for reminding us that the mining company has an opinion on the Oak Flat acquisition.
In reference to your article and curious non-argument "Dwelling on our past," I only have to say that the repeal has nothing to do with "past injustices," as you emphasize, and everything to do with present injustices. The past injustices (no mention of Apache wars) in the repeal appear to have legal consequences, and serve to draw out the fiduciary duty of the government mentioned in subsequent paragraphs.
As I am sure that you are aware there are always two sides to the issues. To learn more about Oak Flat visit the following links:
Apaches Question Actions of their Leadership
America Needs to Move Forward Instead of Dwelling on Our Past
Congressman Grijalva Attempts to Undermine Our Economy and National Security
Resolution Copper - Setting the Record Straight about Oak Flat
Totalitarianism is where this thinking is headed. Agree with me or be destroyed. What has caused this? Hate?
Smeakfuck? Is that a technical or political term. All this article proves is how much trouble religion causes everyone.
Sorry, factual error. Hobby Lobby filed several years after Navajo, not a year.
John Warnock's statement is a well thought out statement, and the clear unvarnished truth. He said " but we and the city surely have an obligation to be alert for such opportunities, and to support local institutions like the Inn when we are able." The way that happens is to get out there at election time and vote. Make your voice heard! It's not going to happen without you!
Thank you larryd for the link and Prof Warnock for your work as well. Interesting read. So much history in Tucson that gets lost as the years pass.
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