Am currently watching Guns in America: Obama Town Hall, which seems to be a an actual forum, still with some blather, but a good start. Why hasn't this be done before? No one (including each and every person active for gun control) actually cared to really discuss gun policies--the deaths for years, not least from gang violence that especially hit people of color, were not motivational for people (including those who seemingly have some sort of emotions about bystanders and violent kids being shot) to seriously talk. I often am lazy, but will never beat the majority of the population in being so easily satisfied by emotional outbursts.
My cold dead hands comrade Barber, my cold dead hands.
Blow it out your butt Barbie. You will not disarm Americans. We will defend ourselves. There's a reason you lost, you have no man card.
We can't even get people to wear seatbelts in cars, nor helmets on motorcycles, which would save many lives. How are we going to enforce gun laws? Laws are only for those who wish to obey them. There are just too many guns out there to control them, or the shooters.
The man that the PC Sheriffs shot yesterday was arrested a week ago and spent two days under mental observation for attempted suicide. 48 hours later he is on the street robbing a store and threatening officers. No gun. A knife.
Welcome to reality. As much as some of you hate the thought of it, there is a reality. Work your way towards it.
Are guns the problem here? did the gun get a mind of its own? the issue goes much deeper than that, our social fabric began to tear when we took authority away from our teachers, stopped the Pledge of Allegiance, removed prayer from schools (unless you are from some other country, then we support you), we have not updated out educational system in years to meet the demands of the "Smart Phone" generation, why would I spend all day listening to a teacher when I can get the answer on Google in seconds, we need to address that and adapt to it.
In nearly every mass shooting, someone will enviably make a comment something like "We all new he was way off center" or "Most people were afraid of him, even his parents". Yet none of us want to say, we are screwed up, we cannot police ourselves, we need the police with us at all times, please mister government make my decisions and take care of my kids, but don't discipline them. That's what it all sounds like to me, Americans have given up, surrendered this Country to anyone that wants it, to make it as they want it in the name of Allah. There was a time when it took a village to raise a child not just a saying, when I was growing up, neighbors had the right to smack the crap out of you like you were their own if you were acting a fool in their presence, it worked, kids didn't mouth off to adults, tell a kid in the mall today to watch their language, see how many other cuss words they know.
Yes friends, if you have a drug dealer on your street corner, and have called the police, only to see that person there again in a week, you have done due diligence, so either handle it or live with it.
Our current president made his run on the promises of change, one man to change America, never happen, if we continue to sit idly by and blame our communities on the police, the government, and not take responsibility, then we deserve everything we have here today, next will be ISIS, remember I said that, because your government is setting up the perfect opportunity for it, disarm or disable the arms of its citizens, reduce the effectiveness of the weapons of the police and military, do background checks on its own citizens and let terrorist in, yup folks, even I can see whats coming.
Did I mention I am retired military, I have been there and done that, our country is lacking in discipline, it is as divided as Iraq was when Saddam was in power, we do not stand together on the big issues, we are easily segregated, and therefore, easily managed, think about that.
I will end is saying that gun control is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of, the people that commit these heinous crimes will not let the lack of guns deter them from committing these crimes, they will simply do it another way, poison, bombs, knife, sword or what ever, but the lack of guns will neither deter, nor slow down the criminal element that we have created here, we only make the best.
Focusing on the 462 deaths related to mass shootings ignores the 10,000 dead in daily, under-reported deaths of men, women and children from gun violence across the nation. This focus inevitably leads to discussion of mental health issues among the shooters including Loughner. In turn, the NRA can respond with attacks on the mental health community, not the daily carnage exacted by the violent criminals most likely to shoot and kill without remorse.
If we succeed in eliminating all deaths related to mass shootings, we are left with 95% of gun deaths (not related to suicides and accidental shootings) unaddressed. There are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation in the US, more than enough for every man, woman and child living here. These guns are freely available to criminals on the black market and used every day to kill and wound victims indiscriminately.
I would suggest that our judicial system is asleep at the wheel. Why should anyone who even brandishes a weapon in a crime not receive a very long prison term without any chance of parole? Shouldn't plea bargaining be taken off the table for criminals who carry guns while committing a crime? Shouldn't weapons seized from criminals automatically be destroyed? Shouldn't anyone who sells a weapon on the black market that is subsequently used in a shooting receive a mandatory prison sentence including life without parole if a victim dies?
The daily carnage in the US is not as sensational as the mass shootings but the number of lives lost is the more serious problem. The Tucson shooting was a terrible, terrible tragedy costing us the services of a great representative and the lives of six fellow citizens, men, women and one child. It is right to remember these lost neighbors and mourn our loss. It is not right to focus exclusively on those losses
while not acknowledging the lives lost to gun crimes reported on page three if at all.
As we all reflect on the tragic day we all can say where did we fail? Where did the neighbor teacher parent peers have so much daily responsibilities to leave the mentally unstable to wander. We have laws on the books to protect the citizen and the would be needed patient. It is my understanding that these laws and protection mechanisms were in place and notified just not valued by our civil servants to implement.
We had a Sheriff that oversees the daily operations of Pima Community College police department are being meet. This is the same as the DPS oversee the University police forces to maintain compliance with the operations of the police on State Universty property. This is the same at every county community college in this state. Some communities colleges don't have police agency's where it is then the Sheriffs task to perform.
Here we had the steam valves of overheat go off twice in my knowledge. We had a public citizen working at a ammo counter that refused to sell ammo. Still this lost sole was let to wander as it was to much for somebody else to worry about. A police force that dropped the ball rather than issue a citation of public disturbance. A police force that went to the sick student home and issued a REQUEST that the student not return till a evaluation had been made as his mental state twice. Had the responsible government done the first line of defence Gabby would possibly still be our representative.
For Pima County Sheriff's department to come out and state that it asked Gabby if she wanted police protection. Is that her option really how would Gabby know of any chance peril that might come it would be up the he sheriff department to tell her of it. How did someone with a mental disorder get a handgun legally. Pima county had the laws to enforce and the vehicle to maintain it's implementation to preclude this from happening. But wait it has to be brought up to the county attorney and how to do plea bargains a mental hold on a person. The follow up with the county mental health div which is where Ron Barber came from his administrative background helped Gabby perform her duties as congressional representative. Where did the check and balances fail it failed with every citizen in the county that votes for a party. It is them that have given us this bastion of political ideology.
Been in this county a long time I remember county board representative ED Moore filing suit against the State for the 1949 sales tax formula distribution that had Pima County paying twice that of Maricopa seems that the Palo Verde Nuclear plant is worth more than all of the improved property in Pima county.
yes the new political progressive is really this generations Archie Bunker
Veteran, veterans. I have many in my family, and have many in my past and in my ancestry-traceable back to the 1630's to Massachusetts bay colony. Many who resisted the tyranny of a king named George-men and women who fought for freedom and built a nation out of a population of immigrants. A diverse lot of miscreants that left an unkind world behind to come to a new world and find peace in a place that would allow them the worship their God in peace. In fact this point was so important that it was enshrined in the document that became the constitution of the United States . Oh veteran, my ancestors resisted so that you could come on this forum and make unkind remarks about some of your fellow Americans. All I can say is to remind some that a great and kind teacher once walked in a land known as Israel and spoke of the teachings of His God: judge not that you not be judged. Peace be to you veteran, and may the ice in your heart melt and may you truly receive enlightenment as to what this nation is about.
An American Muslim -
Please note who writes these articles;
A Pakistani national.
A Guatemalan communist lesbian.
A ex-Oregon teacher censor socialist.
But please, keep making fun of Trump. Why is this country so bad, you had 8 years of the Obama and things aren't a paradise?
America for Americans. Trump 2016!
LOVE IT. Took me awhile to get the metaphor, but lol.
Trump is an orange, and a bitter one at that...(that fake tan needs to go).
we are what we eat, and what we think or are programmed to think. thank God more people are refusing to be controlled by fear and paranoia; refusing to be divided and conquered.
i tell you what though, if Trump wins, it might be better to live in Pakistan, even. For sure, Canada and Mexico may end up with an influx of American refugees escaping the madness.
loved it...lol. metaphor of Trump as an orange (a bitter one at that), took awhile for me to get...and yeah, we ARE what we eat, huh? we are what we think and too often what we are told (programmaed) to think via the media.
but contrary to the efforts to divide and conquer, to instill fear and paranoia, a growing number of people refuse to play.
hey, if Trump does win, moving to even Pakistan, may not be a bad idea! ;-)
It is way past time that people can decide when they want to die in peace. Before they get too ill and not able to be a human, but just a body, who is supporting the medical and drug companies. It is time to take politics and profit making health care systems to remove themselves from making our decisions. Death is part of life and should not be frighten to people. Why should people have to suffer in pain for those that just want to make money from them.
Let be humane and allow people to make their own choices on death and when they are ready. It could be a happy time for the family left behind, knowing their loved one made the final choice and not the decease that invaded their body.
So many people are alive, suffering, and bedridden, maybe lost of mind too. These are the people that hopeful can make or have made the choice on death. Trillions of dollars wasted on their lifes. So Sad. Lets move on to a new society that respects death, as well as life.
There are many thought provoking comments here, presented clearly and honestly. Yet, most of them reflect fear of the process. Fear of the unknown, fear of what might happen IF we allow euthanasia - if we DON'T allow euthanasia. Either way there will be horror stories of what happened as a result; that is the human condition. Let's continue to discuss it and try to come up with something that will work the best for most. There really are no easy answers.
Your question is salient. While meditating more and more recently on my own need to attempt to control it's been surprising to realize how ubiquitous it is. My attempts at not controlling are often motivated by a paradoxical delusion that by giving up control I will be in more control, though I cloak it in attempted detachment expertly. As a motivating factor it is so unconscious and powerful it is absolutely necessary that we explore it individually.
Individual and sociological patterns created by people acting unconsciously through the need to control is becoming my definition of evil as I explore and understand my own motivations more and more. My two cent opinion on the legislation would also be an attempt to influence and control, so I will refrain from posting it, because it seems hard and fast rules are delusions in a fluid, ever-changing reality where context creates meaning.
There is no reason for suffering. Some diseases are unbearable, and I think that all people should have the right to die in dignity. I believe in euthanasia. I hope to put this in will, so I have no undue suffering and my loved ones will not suffer watching me suffer. If is a painful, terminal condition, why waste time suffering. It is your time to go.
I recently spent a long while with my father as he died and previously did so with my mother. Each had progressive, chronic conditions. My mother experienced extreme pain which was inexpertly managed at the end of a five year illness, while my father experienced episodes of severe confusion. Each had a difficult journey punctuated with many moments of love and quality and even wonder. We were extremely fortunate to have loving caregivers who made all the difference. As a speech-language pathologist, I have worked in nursing homes and have seen human beings warehoused. I have seen people have frightening, painful passings when they were treated callously. I understand the wish for control over one's own passing. I also understand the exhaustion that can come for even loving family members as they care for a dying person.
I am troubled by the issues implicit in this legislation. It is easy to envision a society in which many physicians would be likely to prescribe a lethal dose of drugs rather than to refer patients for palliative care. Palliative care, and for that matter. extended rehabilitation, take time, effort and financial resources. Not all families would rather care for a loved one during an extended illness than say a quicker, more "realistic" goodbye. I am not by any means an advocate for use of heroic measures or extended life support in the case of terminal illness. But I believe that individuals should make that decision through advance directives. Once one is ill, it is very difficult to avoid being pressured in one way or another.
In Germany, euthanasia for elders and for the disabled was first carefully presented as a compassionate option. Only after society had accepted this was it implemented with steadily increasing brutality and this was the context in which Zyklon B was first tested. In such a society, the developmentally disabled individuals with whom I have worked for many years would all be assigned to "special treatment", based upon the view that they waste government resources.
I , too, would like to die in my sleep without pain. However, based upon what I have seen over the years, this is doubtful.. I can only hope that someone with a compassionate heart and medical skills eases my journey--but not by euthanasia. Even if that were to spare me pain, I fear that I would be helping to lay the groundwork for the violation of the rights of elders and the disabled who have the desire and the right to live.
I am not sure I agree with you, but I appreciate the perspective.
As with most issues, there is no clear-cut black or white. It is worth the discussion.
It is a beautifully written piece, and I am so sorry for your suffering.
I worked as a hospice CNA for years. I know for sure that quality of life for those dying slowly is completely eliminated. Are we talking a five-year old girl getting preventative testing here or someone slowly dying from an agonizing, certainly fatal condition?
Experience? Work as a line staff in a warehouse for the lonely dying. Sometimes it isn't just a concrete chute but merely an eddy under the water, capable of easing the pain, returning the floater home a little more easily, that the sufferer seeks.
Compassion is not always wishing life on someone.
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