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Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
Times have changed. The gov't and other reputable agencies have declared cell phone towers to be safe. They got it wrong the first time. Those against this cell phone tower should need to accept that times are changing and Tucson needs to adapt to the 21st Century. The same people that are against this cell phone tower seem to be the same folks against a crosstown freeway etc... Tucson isn't a rundown Mexican town anymore.
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
Let me tell you all a thing or two about the truth of this cell tower situation. I am much older and more objective than most of you, and have lived here many years with my wife. I don't get out much, as it is difficult to walk much. I have been to a few neighborhood meetings in the past over the years. I know this neighborhood, I have been reading all the comments both constructive and destructive name calling. These people who are against the added radiation from a new cell tower really care about their neighbors and themselves. They deserve respect. They are not extremists. Name calling is bullying and no one should stoop so low to treat anyone that way. It only shows the insecurity of those doing the name calling. So, let's stop this childish behavior!
This is a public health issue, for sure. I know of Mr Marc Haberman and all the good work he has done for the neighborhood over the years. I know of the people on the CNA steering committee, and those who run the church. I know the people at the church feel they are doing the right thing based on the bias information they got from the brother of Father Fuller, who assumes the cell towers are safe based on a lack of information. The church and those who side with them have no idea how dangerous the radiation from these towers are. If they eventually see the facts of the health risks, they will have serious 2nd thoughts on their agreement with AT&T. Since last fall, I have been following the meetings, the flyers, signs and observed the actions of the NSWT group. I was undecided at first, just watching what was going on and looking at the facts. The conclusion I have come to in respecting everyone concerned is that there are NO sides. I am not taking sides, just sharing the facts from an old gentleman who has seen much more than you. We are in this together, and there is the truth (not an opinion) that cell tower emissions are harmful to many people, especially the children and elderly like me and my wife. If those of you who don't believe that there is any concern just look at some of the multitudes of documentation out there. The best video out there is - Public Exposure: DNA, Democracy and the 'Wireless Revolution' - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJbCa-MZwXM . A few facts you may not know - Pima County Board of Supervisors passed a Resolution 2009- 188 on EMF health concerns. A similar resolution is being introduced to Mayor and Council soon. The fight against cell towers and the wireless dangers has been going on for some years throughout Tucson, in Arizona, California and around the country. Check in the the issues of Smart meters on your homes. If you have children or know of someone who does, please educate yourself and you will com to the same conclusions that many others have done. The wireless risks to health are much worse than you think.
Mr. Haberman, being on the steering committee, was in a difficult position in deciding to stand up for the many people in the neighborhood who disagree with the cell tower. There were those who approached him for support of their cause last fall. He did the right thing in the choice he made to help them. It takes courage to do what he did, and in talking with him, I know he is in this for the long hall. If you listen with your heart, you might not be so judgmental. This is real, and and sooner we all face the facts the better off everyone will be. This is a concern that we could be working together on. It would be in everyone's best interest.
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
Watch this 1 hour documentary about the concerns many people have about staying well and protecting their civil and democractic rights in the midst of the wireless digital age.
"Public Exposure: DNA, Democracy and the Wireless Revolution" (2000) may be watched on You Tube, at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJbCa-MZwXM
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
As I stated in an earlier comment.. Most people only seem to care when there is one put in their neighborhood. So like I said, they only care when maybe their health and the health of their family is at risk.
I on the other had did not start against cell twoers until I had lived with one on top of me for 12 months already. Not unil after It did start to have real health issues for me and when I started talking to people around this tower was not at all surprised when I found out I was not the only one. People pets are the first ones to die as a result of this thing. Their smaller bodies absorbing all that radiation. Pets within 50-100 meters all die of cancer and within about 3 years of living next to this tower.
Some people on here say I'm full of crap! My hatred for these things did not start till 12 months of being next to one 24-7 and being seriously ill effected by it.
Really think about that people. I am a computer Technion by trade. I have loved technology all my life, but after living next to a cell tower for 2 years now, 12 moths hating them... I now hate one form of technology RF. Only because my eyes are wide open to the real effects of this technology.
As I said before. EHS is developed after living 24-7 next to an RF radiation source like a cell tower. I did not have EHS when I moved here, but I sure as hell have it now. So do at least 60% of the people within 50 meters of this tower, almost certainly further.
It is said there is 5% of EHS sufferers in this world and that is growing thanks to all the cell towers popping up. There are 35% of the world who already suffer ES "Electrosesitvity" but do not realise it yet. They shrug off the symptoms thinking it's just a normal thing when in fact they are being effected by RF radiation from some source.
Studies have shown this on a number of occasions. Studies show people up to 300 meters of a cell tower get ES and the closer to the tower you get the more get EHS. I live 20 meters from this cursed thing and I have EHS. I would not wish it on anyone!
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
Whether or not cell towers pose a serious health risk is not going to be determined in the Comments section of this article of the Tucson Weekly.
As I stated previously, I'm in the Cabrini neighborhood and am familiar with the people and situation involved in this. Mr. Haberman is dictating his beliefs onto the entire neighborhood and now remains the only member of the neighborhood association's administration (self-appointed president). Had he stepped away, the association might have been able to act as a liason between the opposition group he formed and the church but he refused to do that.
He's now got a small covy of minions who seem to be following his every wish. From past experiences with him, I'm sure he's got them doing all the work and putting out their personal funds for what will eventually his personal victory if no cell tower is contructed.
Notice he hasn't ventured onto the Comments sections here? He's leaving it up to his followers to do his dirty work for him. Though I am wondering if, in fact, Highlander McCloud is actually him. Same initials (Haberman, Marc) and suddenly an Australian pops in to the Tucson Weekly and the ONLY comments he's ever made are the six to do with this article. Rather suspicious to me plus there's a familiar ring to the writing style.
He's a man at around retirement age and had never shown one bit of interest about health concerns and cell towers until one was to be constructed near him (please refer to the article) but has suddenly become fanatical and rabid in his opposition to them all the while using his cell phone and computer, etc. His general concerns about cell towers elsewhere will evaporate faster than rain on our streets on a summer's day in Tucson once this fight is over.
This cell tower would be built on the church's expansive piece of property in the far northwest corner of the neighborhood and would help benefit their efforts with the St. Vincent de Paul Society and the good work they do for those of low income or in poverty throughout this community (and beyond). The church has been an integral, welcome and beneficial part of this community for many years.
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
Does anyone have any actual data about it lowering property values? If so, post it because I have never seen any factual data stating these lower property values.
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
I try to keep an open mind about the effects of cell phones and cell phone towers. But after reading all the comments in this article, I'm very much convinced that cell phones and cell phone towers are safe. The comments against cell phone towers just gets more unconvincing. I guess when you get desperate from losing an argument you make things up along the way. Sorry if I offend anyone. :-)
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
This is addressed to the first comment of David Scott Moyer. I have known persons who have worked major utility fields involving electricity and they all have had major health problems. One who was with IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers) was amongest the most ill. Another who was a lineman for Tucson Electric Power also is incredibly ill. I believe what is coming from the cell tower is electricity and a major form of radiation in the form of microwaves which just happen to also be used in microwave ovens which "cook". I think the reason this risk isn't recognized might be because it is delayed. However just recently, I had a utility reader come by my residence, and I asked him to show me something in the rectangular box below my meter. He said he was not allowed to touch the box. I used to be in business and workmans compensation rates varied by category of work. I am sure this is why the utility reader couldn't touch the utilty box below the meter had to do with that. He is at less risk than others working for or in what was your field of work. I believe there is a major risk here for the church and the residents and you. I also know electrical engineers who recommend getting away from this cell tower. And that is coming from a professional trained in electricity.
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
As a Nation we have always put Health and well being at the very bottom, hence The sickest Nation on the planet. With the highest rates of cancer,heart disease, infant mortality etc. I personally would rather err on the side of caution. besides its very hard to argue with 6 decades of research. In the age of information Ignorance is a choice. as far as the Church is concerned they should be very ashamed of themselves, even if they didnt believe there are health concerns what about surrounding real estate dropping in value and The noise from A/C units. and with their unwillingness to even meet with neighbors defies what a so called church stands for ! All in the quest for money. St Francis Cabrini should hang their heads low and ask "what would JESUS do" I believe Mr Haberman is doing a Great thing. it has always been people like Mr Haberman that have been persecuted for standing out and speaking the truth throughout history.
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
1. MOBILE PHONES BANNED FOR SALE TO CHILDREN IN BELGIUM UNDER AGE OF SEVEN
2. ISREALI CELL PHONE COMPANY COMPENSATES CUSTOMER WHO CONTRACTED CANCER FROM CELL PHONE USE
3. EHS LEGALLY RECOGNIZED AND COMPENSATED IN AUSTRALIA
4. HEALTH CANADA ADMITS SAFETY CODE 6 GUIDELINE FOR MICROWAVE RADIATION IS BASED ONLY ON THERMAL EFFECTS!
5. ISRAELI SCIENTISTS FIND POSSIBLE LINK BETWEEN EMR AND THYROID CANCER.
6. AUSTRALIA`S RADIATION WATCHDOG AGENCY ISSUES NEW WARNINGS FOR LIMITING CHILDREN`S CELL PHONE USE
7. NEW STUDIES SHOW BIOLOGICAL EFFECTS OF WIFI AND CELL PHONE RADIATION
8. NEUROSURGEON SHOWS HOW LOW LEVELS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC RADIATION CAUSE THE BLOOD-BRAIN BARRIER TO LEAK
9. CANCERS CAN BE DETECTED AND AFFECTED BY ELECTRIC SIGNALS
10. BELGACOM INFORMS ITS CUSTOMERS ABOUT THE DANGERS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES AND ENCOURAGES RESPONSIBLE USE
11. LA TEACHER`S UNION PASSES RESOLUTION TO ENSURE SAFETY FROM HAZARDS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS (EMF) IN SCHOOLS INCLUDING EMF EMISSIONS FROM WIRELESS TECHNOLOGY
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
Whoever you are, you need to start looking on the net about how many of us there are. I'm no activist. never have been. However with RF radiation the world needs to know the truth before it's to late for humanity. Scientist and Dr's alike are saying the damage is being done to everyone. They also say in about 30 years the world will wake up, but by that time it will be to late. The damage is done on the genetic level.
In the past 20 year since cell towers were introduced. Brest cancer increased 70% Testicular cancer increased 300% brain tumors increased 200% and the list goes on and on. With the event of wifi everywhere, these things will be increasing more.
Children are now showing symptomes in schools where wifi is fitted. The Swedish Government saw the damage it is doing and that county are the world leaders in making their citizens safe. Other countries are following suit in some areas at least.
Yeah we are all liers and nuts.
YOU need to wake up and stop living in a dream world where everything is okiedokie!
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
Highlander McCloud, who is now in Australia, how about visiting Tucson to participate in AZRLS's experiment. Don't tell me that you're 'allergic' to airplanes too?
If cell phone towers bother you, then stay in Australia. A majority of Tucsonan's AREN'T bothered with cell phone towers. It's you, community activists, who doesn't live in Tucson, that are bothered by this. Community activist, MOVE OUT OF TUCSON OR THE PLANET EARTH, if cell phone towers bother YOU! STOP spewing your LIES!!!
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
the guy who mentioned the experiment. I would do that but I'm in Australia. You need to understand, people like me who truly are sensitive to cell towers are also sensitive to Wifi and DECT cordless phones. I find being on a cordless phone turnes that side of my face and neck numb if I speak on them for a while, Not That I have used one in some time. I went back to a corded phone. when I first moved here I tried wifi. That effected me instantly, Again depending on my distance to it. Within 2 meters of a wifi I get an intense headache, start to feel really ill and sweat. If the wifi is on the floor, by testicles actually start hurting with this intense pain. Cell towers,. If I'm away from one for an extended period of time, it takes about 10 minutes of exposure before the headaches start. Then about 20 minutes after that I start feeling a little sick. 4-6 hours of exposure I'm feelign so sick I need to get away. 24hours my muscles start twitching and becomes inflames and my joints also become inflamed. I thought I had gotten severe arthritis, but arthritis and these others symptoms dissapear when I am away from this tower. Headaches go within 20 minuts if they had not turned into a migrain. the other symptoms all subside in about an hour.
The World Health Organization has said EHS is real They just don't want to admit what the cause is. If they do they admit these cell towers do harm. They pretty much did that when they gave RF Radiation this classification: possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B).
If they knew it was not harmful they would have given it a classification that reflected that.
Then they go on to say ""Given the potential consequences for public health of this classification and findings," said IARC Director Christopher Wild, "it is important that additional research be conducted into the long term use."
This classification was not only given to mobile phones as the telecommunications companies would tell you. If you are stupid you would not relise a cell tower is the equivalant of hundreds of mobile phones running 24-7 at FULL power, with an antennas literally hundreds of times bigger also.
Here is the main heading of the document where the WHO gives this classification:
IARC CLASSIFIES RADIOFREQUENCY ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS AS
POSSIBLY CARCINOGENIC TO HUMANS
I do not read Mobile phones there do you? It says all RF Radiation. I call it what it is. it is Radiation. Not nuclear of course, but Radio Frequency radiation. GO have a look at the transmitter sites. They have warning radiation beyond this point signs.
I was talking to one of the Telstra Technicians and he said come into the building and have a look at this. There is a book right inside the door that says "What to do if exposed to radiation from this tower".
That sign is right in line with the floor of my room. I'm 20 meters from that tower. So logic says according to that sign, I'm in the radiation area. I called Telstra and they tried to convince me that was just for show. It should be right up where the antenna are.
And whoever said these towers are not allowed in residential areas is completely wrong. That only applies to maybe 2 or 3 countries. The rest don't give a damn.
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
Whomever believes that all of our new Technology is harmless is living in a closet.
As for college level Physica, LOL that's a joke. "Science" is still teaching that the Sun explodes while it has been IMPLODING forever.
So, does your microwave run 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Of course not.
Cell towers are harmful. PERIOD
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
I propose an experiment, run by Tucson Weekly, to see if people who self-describe themselves as being sensitive to cell towers can really detect them. One of the volunteers could be the person who claims that he cannot be within 150 meters of a tower without suffering severe headaches. It should be simple enough: The volunteer is in the passenger seat, blindfolded, as the driver cruises the roads of Pima County, sometimes stopping miles from a cell tower, and sometimes right beside one. Be interesting to see if this is a real sensitivity to radiation or psychsomatic. How about it, Tucson Weekly, might make a very good story.
Re: “Southern Arizona in the Crosshairs”
Too bad The weekly did not highlight this Event earlier, it would have been nice to be able to attend and see what Real Progress is available for our Border Problem.
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
The most dangerous thing about a cell phone is texting on it while you are driving.
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The Governments once said smoking was safe. Governments once said asbestos was safe and the list goes on and on about what governments said was safe. How many of these things many years down the track to they say "oops, we were wrong"
People who believe the Governments crap may as well believe someone holding a gun to your head saying I'm not going to kill you. "oops, my finger slipped on the trigger"
People like you lot PISS ME OFF!
There are people around these towers getting sick and even dieing. I'm one of many around one of these tower who suffers. But as long as you have your mobile signal you are happy to turn a blind eye.... That is until they try stick a tower in your neighborhood, then you become one of these people you call nut-cases.. Hypocrites!!
Funny how many hypocrites there are in this world. Turn a blind eye and call people who are really suffering nut-cases until you are in the same situation as us.
you may not think we are experts, but on own own bodies we ARE! Are you telling me if you are sick and I called you a nut-case I would be right? No, because each of us knows our bodies better than anyone. We all eliminate and deduce until we find the cause of our suffering or illness. I cannot be within 150 meters of this tower without suffering severe headaches and other illnesses.
But you A-holes know better than I do what has an effect on my body so of course you are GOD! nothing more than know it alls who care more about your phones having reception then the people who suffer and die just so you can call or test someone.
You people Make me sick to my stomach.. People like you are inhumane!!
Re: “Coverage in Cabrini”
You know I have heard bad stuff about all this cell phone and cell tower stuff for years. As a matter of fact I was in a small town about two years ago where it seemed there was a "civil war" going on about the same issue. I do believe I smell a rat. The FCC has regs that read that no one can refuse a cell tower based on health issues. About the same as was heard about cigarettes for a long time and still is. Notice the signs now about restricted distance for smoking. And remember the Surgeon General finally said cigarettes weren't safe. Are we in that same arena for cell towers? I think that someone is making BIG money on this issue same as was made by tobacco companies for years. Where is the Surgeon General on this issue?
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Re: “Into the Lion's Den”
not all homosexuals are sex crazed, just as all heterosexual people are not sex crazed. As a follower of Jesus the CHRIST, it is my calling to follow his greatest command: "Love God with all my heart and soul and love others" No exceptions as to who we are to show love. Love those who agree, Love those who do not, Love sinners as well as those who are considered "saints". I leave it to the Lord to be the judge. We ALL have sinned and do fall short and sin again and again, both before and after choosing to believe and follow Jesus. I am busy trying to remove the "plank" from my own eyes and if i ever get that big ole piece of wood out of my own eye, i may be able to help another with his "speck". I choose to pray for All and Love all. I choose to believe the Bible is the Word of God and I choose to apply it to my own life. I pray that my life will be a "light" not hidden under a basket. I believe that the Bible teaches that it is very definitely possible and even commanded by God to love others in spite of their actions.