I dont see a lot of opposition to legalization. I do however see the reasoning on both sides.
I really dont want to spend $600.00 to get another 2 years for the right to legally buy possess consume marijuana. However 205 is definitionally one in the hand two in the bush. In Arizona most bushes are thin and scraggly and should be easy to see through. There are no 2 birds first off just a chance to catch a bush.
After years of watching and experiencing Arizona marijuana culture since the mid 60's. It has been like running down a dark mine shaft hoping to find a teaspoon of water sip a bit of moss to chew on ones journey. Alas a beam of light breaks the darkness it illuminates a feasting area where some come to congregate and build an extended family. After so many years of blindly foraging through this abyss of exasperating endeavor of survival.
We have come into light building a community and having a look at each other for the first time. Years of wandering through the darkness one looks upon another man says you looked fucked up dude, you need some medical attention. What happened, gazing the other says yea thats what I want to know to dude what the fuck happened to missing so many parts and some completely blind to bless them. What is the light called it called AZDHS/MMJ a law passed to help us all come into the light some want to say the light is theirs and control it . In a completely dumbfounded way the crowd grasps REALLY !
Yes holysmokes says if I have all the light more will be for everyone and it will be protected from those still foraging. Holysmokes replies I have better and more light, more water & moss to drink and chew. All you have to do is get all your water and moss from me and I will protect you and the children. HAS THIS STORY NOT BEEN TOLD IN EVERY CULTURE AROUND THE GLOBE SINCE RECORDED TIME AND ALWAYS ENDED THE SAME WAY?
Here is a study just released by Rutgers & Univ of Pitt. a peer review of long term effect of marijuana on youth. To summarize there was no long term effect longterm from it's use.
This just blows props 205 justification out the freaking door building a new police dept and administrative system to protect youth. Just the damage this proposition to the lower income families will be devastating alone far more than any use would ever would have.
I remember hunting trips I went on as a child and some of the adults got their kids drunk and laughed as the slipped into enzyme bile wonderland. I also remember a child slipped slightly into the campfire my father in all his fantastic reasoning walked over the the father and extended a very comforting to all around. A 5 finger sedative to the father on the forehead. We all still went hunting together they still drank nightly. Then as a kid we snuck the alcohol quickly I found I dont like it at all. My father drank a lot, found out I didn't like still dont, It hurt him in a way to not have that bond I guess. I wonder what bond and better relationship I would of had less alcohol more marijuana. Prop 205 would felonize that severely limits father's income tell me wheres the harm to the child.
VOTE NO ON PROP 205>>>>>>> VOTE NO ON PROP 205
I am in favor of legalization. I am not in favor of the current ballot initiative here in Arizona. I may or may not vote for it.
The decision comes down to voting for something seriously flawed, just to get it done, or waiting to put something better on the ballot in the future.
I understand the medical growers and dispensaries wanting to protect their investment, but this initiative gives a semi-monopoly to them, to the detriment of anybody else trying to enter the market.
I much prefer Colorado's approach, but with the money behind the current group of lobbyists, it will never happen again.
Very informative recall of looking back on who as used marijuana. The story missed a few who were incarcerated for using marijuana in the 40's and 50's like Robert Mitchum or Gene Krupa & Chuck Berry.
Then to take a walk down memory lane for some that lived it 60's into the 70's. Nixon the smoke outs at 4th ave park where most of the Antiwar protest happened. I threw away my purple hearts stupid but crowd influenced. Time Magazine's article on Catalina High school as the most drug ridden school in America. Being able to go into bars and score pounds as they were sitting in a trunk in the parking lot. In the mid 60's I bought kilos from vaquero's on a ranch between Amado and Arivaca for $40 a kilo
Then came the enforcement & organized crime. Nixon and his trade deals brought spraying of paraquat on fields. Ramrodding through congress all sorts of draconian laws. Instilling foreign leaders in central and south America who made killing squads for suppliers. Toppled governments built new supply line looking for those buying at the same time having other agencies looking for who was selling.
It is sort of like ISIS today all of those leaders and supply line were built by the US when we destroyed the established market distribution lines. Then through money and supply manipulation the US thought it was possible to control and direct. Then the US seen this was not possible as the illegal markets grew under the sanctions this new market shift made them a illegal wall street of sorts and built ISIL. We need to remember war is a suppression of one lifestyle over another thus the war on drugs. War is a fight of economies and people are the commodities of loss. Millions have died are being killed today by our State Dept thinking it can control markets. As we borrow to try to stay above water and buy friends on borrowed money.
So let just look inside this prop 205 we have a market and supply line. In this we have a new police agency and court that is immune from public scrutiny. They will establish supply and market control they will award groups that can participate and those that can't which is the general populace growing. Even the judge throwing out the court challenge to the prop raised a eyebrow to the formation of this Department. That was not brought up before the court so that was not adjudicated but will definitely be brought up if passed.
This prop 205 is just another attempt at what thousands of years of lessons have taught us. This economy built by 205 will result in war it has all the factors to build the foundation of supply and attack as always to protect the children.
Prop 205 is just bad law Arizona and the citizens have passed a compassionate MMJ law as well as a private control of some parts of the medical market. Doctors choice, treatment where to acquire both. Prop 205 stops these for total market control more money more war. Arizona is 7th in incarnation with 205 we can make #1 and the money market line will be established to thinking it pays for education by after costs it will contribute to education .097% of it's annual budget.
Some at older age partake in marijuana I see profiling of political alignment as a reason for doubt on Legalizing Marijuana. What makes a republican the ability to say no. The republicans will say no to this is because it is just bad law that hurts families and children has chattle. This is being seen now as helping the children if not passed it will be marketed as hurting the children.
This is the bogus market of 205 vote no. It takes a republican to say payday loans hurt families.
Predatory phone marketing, Miss a payment suddenly you interest rate goes to 29%. Usury laws repealed which put caps on loan rates. State control of credit card rates. All of these protection were repealed by Babbitt and Clinton.
Yea this Holyoak is the King herod of the marijuana users in Arizona vote no on 205.
How can this be called legalization when the decriminalizing is still on the books and can be applied randomly from county to county regardless of this proposition which gives each county the right to do so. The counties that have no control over state mandates can't stop MMJ. This prop 205 gives each county Atty to negotiate what happens on market and supply control. Thus losing state stewardship over each county to be arbitrated by each county Atty.
YEA prop 205 stinks like no other skunk on the road you might of smelled this smell won't go away of passed.
Many of us didn't just smoke for a while and move on. We continue to enjoy cannabis and have discovered that it is a blessing for us as we age. Vote YES on Prop 205!
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Oh ya,.... They can't!
Get permission to steal from the public.... Get a job, uniform and a badge from a government law enforcement agency and you are good to go.
Civil forfeiture have increased 4000% in the last 25 years due to law enforcement seizure and forfeiture. The institute of justice found that over 80% of items seize, forfeited and sold was from innocent members of the community never charged with any crimininal acts. The fact is that law enforcement agencies confiscate property from people not committing any crimes, sell these innocent people's personal and business property, then deposit the money generated into their person budgets which should be considered stealing and a conflict of interest because they financially benefit from their unlawful actions against the citizens they are sworn to protect. Arizona law enforcement have become the perfect description of actions described in accordance to Arizona RICO law violations.
However, since they consider marijuana a schedule I Narcodic drug as dangerous as heroine, it would be appropriate the unlawful stealing of an innocent citizen's property under the guise of Civil Forfeiture law is not a violation of "racketeering in organized crime" by law enforcement.... It is just a friendly armed robbery by the public servants paid to protect us from cartels and the mafia from committing such crimes against individual hard working citizens, whom are helpless to protect themselves from this government tyranny.
Mr. "Joe Public" needs to remember that their property has No Rights when defending themselves. The police have no legal expenses when prosecuting property seizure and forfeitures.... While on the other hand, you or your property have the burden of financing a defense to protect its return. Consequently, to pay an attorney in these matters are more expensive than the value of the property stolen by the police, this it it cost prohibited in trying to defend and seek return of your property. How can the public protect themselves from these unlawful and unethical government actions?
The police were under an Order of the Court to return Mr. Johnson's seized property but never did.... Instead they sold it and split the proceeds of the sale of the items and failed to return not one single piece of Mr Johnson's property as per Order of the Court, but rather they deposited the funds equally into each of their budget accounts, Mr. Johnson was never reimbursed nor return any of his property from the police.
So this is a good lesson for future criminals, get a uniform and a badge first, whereby laws don't apply to you when stealing, hurting and robbing the public.
As an editor for our Facebook page, I could not find any records pertaining to Anna Gomez as a member. is a safe place for the community. Mr Johnson would like to know when and for what purpose was this supposed money intended for? How was this investment transferred to MR Johnson and can you produce a receipt? If not this is considered slander and will be dealt with according.
Sincerely 420 club.
I'm not surprised that teen marijuana use in Colorado has stagnated or declined since legalization took place. For many teenagers, doing something that is wholeheartedly approved of by the law and/or your parents can be boring as hell.
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I didn't leave out Nixon it is just the most common name the ignorant on this subject use to think they have knowledge and background. Use the Nixon name as a anti prohibition chant that way it will focus, NOT HARDLY !
I can go back to June 1971 Time Magazine did an article on Catalina High School "Most Drug Ridden High School in America". In the article they show the student body in the auditorium Class picture. You look at all, as they were billed at the time, anti social, drug infested, hair farming, tye dyed, mistake for the future.
Reluctant to even mention this is previous posts. Just a look at that I can see who became the who's who of Tucson. I see judges business owners, prominent Atty's, State rep's of all sorts we have all grown in Tucson and Arizona with Marijuana. The biggest fallacy is that it breaks down into political lines which it does not.
AZFMR >>is not gone>> They had a change in management more organizational structure. The grassroots 200+ so far volunteers are being assembled , The grassroots org. that separated from MPP over legal structure and governing policy. They have reorganized either way the outcome of the Nov.
AZFMR is now CRLM
Campaign to Regulate Legalize Marijuana
This was necessary as they are now a licensed PAC with the Sec of ST. This is mostly a group that did a fantastic looking out for the interests of the user and the market collectively. This is your neighbor you family members your community not another harvest.
either way this is the Proposal they will start gather signature in OCT first allowable time. If you care read for yourself see if fits with your values. It has been a long road in sales venicular do you want to take the first pencil from the car dealer?
You left out Nixon. His administration created the "schedule" system, and put marijuana on Schedule 1. When people, including scientists and physicians, objected, he created a blue ribbon panel to study the matter, and then promptly ignored their findings. Marijuana has continued to be on Schedule 1 ever since, for no good reason, other than the fact that Nixon associated its use with "hippies" and "negroes."
Just looking at this carrot/caveat depending on conception of understanding of 6 plants. what does that mean? Is that really definitive?
Anyone who has grown more than 2 harvests inside knows it's a joke the yield is so small per plant it would hardly be a market force. Would hardly be a addicted user supply chain Dispensaries and agents know this too.
Rules to be written will do what several state tried and Maine votes rejected. The Point of sell for clones only certain clone will be sold through to be nego, (tbd) outlets.
When a person obtains a clone from a licensed taxing agent. It will be given a tag good for so long. A person will have to apply for and sign a agreement to forgo all rights property & search rights to allow compliance of the agreement.
Basically a Retired police/compliance officer come to the door and says we are here to look at your grow. Retired police that are still in good standing with the DPS license to be a police officer in the state. They are still police carry weapons and can do all the police functions up to Swat Team's.
It also seems inconceivable 6 plants as a definitive amount. I know several older people in rural that would allow family member to obtain and grow 12 plants on their rural property. Outside the harvest could go on for 2 months or better culling the buds much bigger harvest. Then you have the guy trying to save a buck by buying a tent and some lights. hardly equivalent of each other . A stalk of corn grown in a closet or one grown in the field what's going to yield more? Can you just imagine the cost to police that, it will be added onto the price at point of sale.
Yea the only person that would vote for this abortion of personal righs is he one going to the dispensary getting that oil based suppository and need instruction on the application.
User we have gone done the right thing getting MMJ. Some meeting with a legitimate doctor and to so regularly discussing the use I do. We have a force of 90,000+ we need to be heard not represented by the market forces. In Oct we will be present.
VOTE NO PROP 205 KEEPING PERSONAL RIGHTS
A very good story on several points addiction & societal resulting in positions taken. The position ADRP will still be enforced Montgomery & Polk will be in a position to negotiate each of their counties. This is a no loss to the political contributions aspects to both.
If 205 passes every county attorney will be in a position to negotiate how marijuana will be enforced. What is now bundled together with Marijuana smoke shops, home growing. Just how does Polk lose, Montgomery can now negotiate on every aspect of what happens in the county.
The rules not even written kind of like we have to vote for it to see what comes. Some look at this as an opportunity others as the wolf in the hen house. Given the past history and how marijuana has been prosecuted. The industries that built and used to support and complement the enforcement, prosecution, probation, abuse counseling, incarnation. All of these industries will continue to flourish and feed off of marijuana prohibition. There will be no change just a new component to the feed chain of Marijuana.
The simple target is to limit the criminal and civil penalties to marijuana use. Prop 205 addresses the right to market and support it. With the criminal simple possession prosecution harshest in all 50 states where's the win for the user.
The AZ Marijuana user has complemented the existing industry to obtaining 90,000 plus MMJ licenses. Everyone know's that this is the distribution for the illegal market in AZ today.
It would not be unreasonable to ask this Market forced entity for relief. Relief from the Jack boot on the back of the neck of the consumer. Relief from frivolous prosecution relief of unreasonable search and enforcement. Repealing the criminal code 13-3405.
However repealing 13-3405 felony for simple possession to be negotiated at every turn. The market representatives know this only bolsters their market control and price. As you can see really nothing for the consumer but limited availability and the harshest persecution of you stray. Every user goes under the bus with this.
Arizona needs to decriminalize before it builds a market. Prop 205 does not do any of this and the representatives don't give a damn. This whole concept was drawn with the idea it could sell the concept of conservative voter base Sun city, Green Valley, Snowbird Capital. They missed the target there too the political profiling is not accurate or comprehensive.
All this does is build another new business feeding of the addiction of marijuana. With a new prohibition effort written by the collective rep of counties attorney's. It gives new laws on so many ancillary businesses that the county attorney's never had. New laws that the counties could not get representative in the legislatures to propose. What is bundled here is a pandora's box.
I was in favor of the other initiative which did not make the ballot. I am still not sure if I will vote for this one.
It's fascinating how the fear of "Marihuana" first instilled in the public mind in the 1930's through blatantly deceitful and racist propaganda has endured to this day. The folks at ARDP and their ilk are still drinking that antique, polluted kool-aid. Fortunately, their numbers are rapidly declining along with their delusions of doom.
Vote yes on Prop 205! It's not perfect, but much better than prohibition. Laws in Colorado are evolving to be more reasonable as the benefits of legalization accrue and fears subside. Same will happen here.
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