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Comment Archives: stories: News & Opinion: Medical MJ

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

So we are going to let the states, the "States of Deplorables" be the guinea pigs watch to see what happens.

Simple; Threats from the Justice Department on each state enforced by the DEA. Absolutely no protections for state to state trade, no protections on banking rules and oversight, no FDA protections on possible contaminates, no regulations like tobacco. No legal grounds in federal court for anything it is simply illegal.

This is wait and see how it goes WTF !!! I dont support trump but I will vote against this kind of garbage see how it fucking goes WTF a state of deplorables.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 10/01/2016 at 9:45 AM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

Now Chelsea's a doctor. Amazing what being a Clinton can do.

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Posted by CW13 on 10/01/2016 at 6:25 AM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

Don't be so sure. Just look what the Affordable Card Act has done to health insurance. Five billion dollars in losses the first year. That Bill wasn't perfect either. Get your head out of the smoke, toker.

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Posted by Hide from reality? on 10/01/2016 at 5:01 AM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

Who wins are the people themselves. This man neglects to mention that each person over 21 has the right to grow six plants, which, if you are smart and time your crops and know your product and invest your time, is plenty. No bill will ever be perfect, and the people reading this article and the local propaganda are losing touch. Why don't you read the bill and stop reading someone else's speculation? Hey, you can stop reading this commentioned now and smoke a nice bong or joint.

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Posted by Choke Weed Everyday on 10/01/2016 at 1:20 AM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

This is like the lottery, you can't win unless you play. It's hard to see who's winning here.

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Posted by Jim Kelly on 09/29/2016 at 10:01 PM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

Chelsea Clinton speaks on marijuana:

During a speech at the Youngstown State University in Ohio last weekend, Chelsea Clinton said that there is new evidence to suggest that marijuana could be fatally interacting with other drugs.

"But we also have anecdotal evidence now from Colorado, where some of the people who were taking marijuana for those purposes, the coroner believes, after they died, there was drug interactions with other things they were taking," she said when asked about Hillary Clinton's position on marijuana research.

Chelsea Clinton's spokeswoman added that the Democratic nominee "has said we should allow states that have reformed their marijuana laws to act as laboratories...

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Posted by Mary Jane on 09/29/2016 at 3:05 PM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

No on 205. This bill has been crafted for specific rea$on$ that don't benefit the public.

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Posted by Big Money or Drugs? on 09/29/2016 at 2:05 PM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

Here is the Debate Between Maricopa County attorney Bill Montgomery and MPP & Holyoak on prop 205.

I will have to give some considerations to Bill as when he speaks he represents on how authority acts and represents itself. Bill words can reflect in current ongoing litigation on hundreds of avenues.

Holyoak does not have that burden and is not responsible for anything really but let's get this going to so how it looks.

This debate has been broken up and editorialized to just a few sound bites this is it in the entirety. If you are really concerned watch it. You will see the stories 90% of the marijuana convictions are for posession simply just not true. Just what liability does Arizona Political Director for the Marijuana Policy Project, Carlos Alfaro have to lose ? nothing he gets paid either way he is a political hack.

The debate; http://www.azcentral.com/videos/news/politics/arizona/2016/09/21/90797362/

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 09/29/2016 at 12:32 PM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

sgssmith:
And just what are dark money factors could you please elaborate?

I bet if this passes and the departments & employees will be civil servants. That is the staff that would go to makeup the department and all of it's divisions. these people are represented in the work force by Civil Service and labor union agreements. We already have these agencies.

Right now we have a right to work state. But does not include government workers as they are in both labor represented with employment. I propose all workers in the dispensaries, growers, processors, caregivers, bud tenders, be union represented.

If all workers were represented and limited as the amount of outlets and licenses given. Why can't they pay start at living wage of $20.00 to start with retirement and 401k contributions ? Yea I bet the colors on the camillian change quickly. It would be money the patient paying out the "hmmmm" progressive owner's pocket would this be considered then DARK MONEY going against representation?

I bet we will hear that they can't do it and afford to keep the prices they are. But the truth is, it is a limited price fixed market commodity that dark money has 2 sets on the board. And 4 community activist that are clamoring for hand outs how's that for DARK money.

Let's tie legislative pay to Marijuana tax and pay every legislature $100.000 annually and a staff and office cost to cap @$ 250.000. that would be 31,500,000. That's the achilles heel to dark money people what they represent dont need income. It is directed through Government contracts and departments. It is there in the back side.

With estimated tax revenue @$123 million at current prices and burden leaving 91 million for schools operating costs. Just think this would give Guadalupe, Gila Bend, Willcox, Havasupai, Sierra Vista, Page, San Luis, Douglas, all equal representation not just the rich PHX dark money center. That keep the money in PHX.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 09/29/2016 at 11:58 AM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

I was ready to vote Yes, but now I'm conflicted!

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Posted by Judy Camello Kuhel on 09/29/2016 at 11:19 AM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

OK, so once again we’re getting someone telling us to go ahead and vote for something that is not perfect, but it’s better than nothing. How soon you forget the Proposition 123 fiasco. Here’s a thought, if the legislators cannot write legislation that is good for the people, then perhaps they need to be FIRED! Sure you have to wait until they are up for re-election, but stop putting people into office that only write legislation for their dark money benefactors.

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Posted by sgsmith on 09/29/2016 at 9:25 AM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

The legal act of prop 205 is called " Marijuana Regulation & Taxation" It is just that simple.

It is surprising that the total annually going to education has grown from 40 million to 55 million in just 6 months.

We have The Arizona Political Director for the Marijuana Policy Project, Carlos Alfaro stating what he believes.

I would base my decision to build a new police dept, licensing dept, revenue collection dept, administrative civil court, (with the legal ability to levy fines and liens against property)

ON THIS BAGHDAD BOB'S idea of what might happen not an administrator but a salesman the Joe Isuzu of legislation.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 09/29/2016 at 8:56 AM

Re: “Prop 205: Let’s Make a Deal

I support legalization, but am leaning against voting for this, and not because of the scare tactics and lies put out by the opposition.

The MPP has become a lobbyist for the industry, as opposed to a lobbyist for legalization, as it formerly was.

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Posted by lc69hunter on 09/29/2016 at 8:22 AM

Re: “Donor Trouble

Juan Valdez; Get a fucking job whether you know it or now you're not even making minimum wage. I would love to see you grow and sell to a distributor, and meet standards, where you can get credit, better insurance, medical coverage will be before taxes. Buy and own property and have it legally protected. By the time you pay all the associated costs with being off the grid you make less than minimum wage. Right now dispensaries have unlimited grow rights and you if you're good can grow/work for them.

With prop 205 this will go away dispensaries won't have unlimited grow rights so it will leave this area for the metro Phx high efficiency corporate operations. Just another reason 205 is not good for Tucson. But hey if 205 passes I will try and look you up or someone like you meaning nothing really changes now does it

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Posted by Carpet baggers on 09/25/2016 at 11:51 AM

Re: “Donor Trouble

Keep the laws as they are. Legalize MJ and you take away a very lucrative side business that I, and many Arizonans enjoy!
I move about 1 pound a week to friends and co-workers. No unknown buyers. Very safe.
I only deal in high quality home grown and hydro, no mexican dirt weed!
I take in about $600 profit of unreported income per week!
Why would anyone buy mexican dirt weed when they can get high quality herb for a few dollars more?

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Posted by Juan Valdez on 09/22/2016 at 6:37 PM

Re: “Donor Trouble

Prop 205 passes will be be #1 in incarceration we can make the top of the list in failed schools beating out all other states we will be 50th.
Yea Arizona needs to lead the pack in a new way to market marijuana the reason it will get better more enforceable less people in the market and a administrative court we own under civil laws no constitutional right's considered.

Only a moron educated in Arizona could vote for this.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 09/22/2016 at 9:06 AM

Re: “Donor Trouble

bslap, sorry I dont see this as a step it>>> will be in direct conflict with any federal agencies that might come into to play with federal agencies if the federal classification changes.

This department will try to arbitrate with the FDA, FTC, ICC, IRS, Banking, USDOJ. In short This department will be set up to isolate it from federal oversight and take steps to continue autonomy in this rough governing department.

It will work against the consumer the patient and the social fabric as a whole. This department will only protect the marketeers consumers as always fuck you!!! Listen we will market pot you can buy from us or go to prison either way it counts as a plus in our columns for reason to exist. Oh yea we are protection the children how long can this lie go on.

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 09/22/2016 at 8:58 AM

Re: “Donor Trouble

Hm, but is it a step in the right direction? Once pot use becomes normalized, even in a poor way, then the feds will follow eventually and later propositions can open it up further.

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Posted by bslap on 09/22/2016 at 8:24 AM

Re: “Donor Trouble

Does anyone really understand that it would be very for a consortium of county Attorneys to just take over the oversight of this board easy as pie.

Az has 15 counties all it would take is to have all counties give proxy to a special task force of a few deputy county atty's on Marijuana.

Most counties rely on State monies for all civil functions. All the legislature has to do is hold back highway & medical allocations to those counties that dont capitulate on the marijuana task force.

After all thee no monies going back to small rural counties like Greenlee with a pop of 8500 why not let the big counties fight and reap the profits it's their problem they are the marketeers.

So we have Pima, Yavapai, Maricopa, Yuma, Santa Cruz, Cochise, already against legalization who will be the 7 & 8th county to join.

Prop 205 does nothing for Arizona but make availability easier and market participation limited.

VOTE NO PROP 205 >> VOTE NO PROP 205>>> VOTE NO PROP 205

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 09/22/2016 at 8:06 AM

Re: “Donor Trouble

Nick Meyers, Reasonably defined paradox of issues,
When this story associated MPP & CRLMA with WA,OR,CO,AL this is a very misleading. All of these states decriminalized before legalizing as CA has done and legislation there is on the ballot this year to.

So in looking at states that have legalized they have kept the State University system inclusive to use addiction, social changes, economic, employment.

In Arizona passage of 205 all monies collected are already earmarked for administration, enforcement & education. There would be no monies going for decriminalization. There will be n monies going for study. There will be no monies going for user representation of repeal of Schedule 1 WHAT THIS MEANS NOTHING FOR THE IMPACT GOOD OR BAD CAN BE SPENT AS PER CONSTITUTIONAL AGREEMENT .

So if 205 is passed This board with a pot full of monies won't want a reschedule why would it ? Cant spend any monies in AZ to decriminalize as per Constitutional agreement. Heads I win tails you lose kind of thing.

It then would be a few 2 members from the industry a director and a educator. With a possible chance to direct the monies to the departments of EDU. Instant majority of 4 with nothing going to the user or consumer

All of the other states that have legalized have done it with in state existing agencies. All states that have legalized and we can see how they are working the administration and enforcement. Why does Arizona have to reinvent the whole process? Because other states have seen the general application of legalization and seen marketability caps?

Why does Arizona need to build a separate court , system a separate policing agency, a separate revenue collecting , a separate licensing & compliance agencies,

let's summarize what happens with 205,
less employment protections, less medical requirements for patients, less social and economical impacts reviews, less people growing their own, less study on medical prospects of marijuana, Less requirements and understanding put on dispensaries, Less oversight of the whole process outside the department. Absolutely no limits to the power and market and enforcement abilities to the department. The rules are not even written and a already stacked board for marketability only.

They will be able to assess civil fines. If you are found with a plant out of strain of those sold, with no cap on the fines. If found guilty in criminal court then this Department can assess civil fines like a DMV. Most likely they will ask at the point of purchase to sign an agreement to purchase in that agreement you will agree to all civil requirements like a driver's license basically giving this new civil court oversight and fine accordingly like DMV. If found in noncompliance for not paying court all court fines the you won't be able to purchase marijuana. Insuring the illegal market the need for enforcement.

Files will be kept on who buys marijuana a report from your drivers license at point of sale will be recorded and since no medical privacy law will be in effect open to second party vendors and enforcement and just about anyone as they will be no requirements of privacy of consumers.

positives, can grow 6 plants (rules on what strains how to obtain fees attached,
(civil rights forfeited if decided to buy the license tag to grow and automatic permission for entry if you sign the license to grow a plant)
No doctor requirements to obtain, no annual review by a medical professional to counsel and administer. No interference by cities this will be sweeping to all but County Attorney will have oversight on zoning for growing processing sales. WTF. Less requirement on weights product content, medical oversight, Less

THIS IS JUST BAD NOT LEGALIZATION JUST POLICE AND AND MARKET CONTROL THE CONSUMER AND CHILDREN PAY THE PRICE.

Just where is the positive VOTE NO 205 >>>>> VOTE NO 205

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Posted by Carpet Baggers on 09/22/2016 at 7:47 AM

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