It's amazing how much traction this issue gets without any mention of NAFTA and GATT.
Live and let live
Promote international tourism
Changing laws really only help lawyers
(on another note Congrats to Senator Davis)
Like many problems this has many facets. One is our drug laws that provide the money lure for smugglers. The balck market created produces far more problems than the drugs themselves. Legalizing drugs here would eliminate some of the crossings and almost all of the violence. It would also help reduce the horrific violence within Mexico that drives many to find a better life for their family. We also have to realise that Mexico is not poor, just the majority of the population is, if we had been encouraging unions in Mexico then the standards of living there would be such that there wouldn't be the glaring poverty that motivates them to come north. US companies pay factory workers 8.50$ in AZ but .85$ across the border, I worked for a company that had factories in the US and a couple of miles south of Douglas. On the other hand, many here would rather spend 50-60 Billion a year (of your money) to keep it the way it is. The situation as it stands is not an accident in my opinion and I doubt we will see a change anytime soon.
When the lure of work at better wages and conditions is stronger than that of your own country is removed, maybe some of the crossers will stay home. The real problem is complicated and probably has no real fix.
Definitely. I suggest starting to enforce the law in the workplace as we mostly do in Arizona with our E-Verify law. Remove the job magnet and these deaths will stop happening.
And, wha't everyone's solution? Let every person who want to enter illegally do so? Why not pick all of them up at the border and provide transportation to the US? MEXICO IS the problem, not the US. They have everything to become a great country, but choose not to be one. WE currently have 10% of Mexico's population living in the US, why no just annex it and make it another state?
PBS Independent Lens had an eye-opening documentary about the number of bodies found each year in the AZ desert--typically over 100 a year. They interviewed (among others) the Pima County Coroner who has the grizzly job of doing autopsies on many of the remains. They also interviewed family members of the dead and those whose bodies never show up. Some families whose loved ones simply disappear while crossing the border live for years in a kind of limbo state-never knowing where or what has happened to them. (One of my 5 year old students, lost his mother at the border several years ago. She disappeared and has never been found.) Families are broken. Our border/immigration policy is truly a barbaric way of dealing with human beings.
"yes Bob" must be in the pay of the drug cartels. The best way to keep Mexico flush with US dollars, keep the border awash with death and destruction, keep the industrial jails producing license plates is to keep weed illegal. Think of the social programs, or better yet the debt reduction the US could gain with a stop to the Marijuana Wars. (cut a few police budgets while we are at it) Keep up the good work Yes Bob.
no worries -some 25 year old's act like 18 and so on and so on-I am positive legalization is the right thing to do
no more lies!....legalize!
time to legalize in 2014!
the longer we wait the more peoples lives will be ruined, right now possession of any amount of cannabis in az. is a felony, and that is just unacceptable, peoples lives are being ruiened and their children are being taken away, I also agree if you are old enough to fight in a war and vote, you are old enough to use cannabis witch is a lot less harmfull than using alcohol or smokeing cigaretts, its time to leagleize and at the very least just make it a simple offense not a felony or mistermeaner
The 2016 initiative is written by big business. I have not read what they are wanting to be put forth but if like prop 203 it will benefit big business more than the people. 2014 lets get this done.
Oh the naysayers throwing in their two cents from the cheap seats seem to forget that in 2010 (mid-term election) the Arizona Medical Marijuana Act passed (and yup it was close) but ultimately you keep kicking at the door and sooner or later you'll bust through. As long as people want to bring forward ballot initiatives (which are the strongest form of lawmaking besides the constitution) the effort to collect signatures, keep the issue on the front burner and mobilize your support is all good. This fucking prohibition has got to stop and Tucson police arrest over 6,000 people a year for minor marijuana offenses. I for one am sick of seeing law enforcement act more like a military machine (SWAT Team, armored Humvees, armed to the teeth wearing black hoods) than a modern and civil police force. The laws that are passed are to be followed by everyone and law enforcement is no exception so time for some sanity on this persecution of a fricking plant that goes everyone on this planet where this some sunshine and rain.
Wow, JM your opinion is flawed in so many ways I don't know where to begin, but I am not even going to address those issues as they are not important to what is happening in AZ. Corey is right, this effort is probably doomed for 2014 for the reasons he listed and a couple of more points. Historically those who vote yes on cannabis issues do not show up at the polls on off Presidential election years. Statistics show that conservatives come out in droves in non presidential elections. Sadly these people are responsible for some of the ridiculous laws we have on the books. I am not blaming them, the blame should go to the more liberal voters who don't vote at EVERY election. The conservatives understand this dynamic and that is the reason they introduce propositions that favor their cause. I think many are ready to legalize cannabis in all states, but most are heeding the warnings of the political savvy, and waiting for 2016.
I don't advocate that any 18 year olds use alcohol, tobacco, or marijuana. I don't think that many 18 year olds will read the law to decide whether or not to smoke pot. Making it illegal has not stopped over 40% of our population from trying marijuana (government's own figures) and making it legal won't convince many of the others who have not tried it to start. Marijuana is more available under the current system to kids than it would be if it were sold and ID were required to purchase it. Kids have reported on the government's yearly SAMHSA surveys for many years that it is easier for them to get marijuana than it is to get alcohol or tobacco.
I am concerned that an 18 year old who is caught using marijuana is destined to an apparteid like existence for the rest of his life under our current system. If he (or she) has children, those children will probably be taken out of the home. If he wants to further his education he will be unable to get student loans. He can lose the right to vote. He will not be eligible for government housing programs and will be taken off of organ transplant lists. He won't obtain better paying employment as most employers will not hire a convict. If he was driving he is likely to lose his license which also limits employment opportunities. He is likely to be ordered to pay for a program for addiction although less than 1 out of 10 become addicted. He will probably be required to undergo drug testing that can actually encourage those in the system to use far more dangerous and addictive drugs because they do not remain in his system as long as does marijuana metabolites.
I won't argue that it is safe for an 18 year old to use marijuana. I am certain that for some it is not. Passing this law will not fix everything but it will begin to fix our broken system that impacts far more people of color and it will allow us to start to heal from this prohibition that has been more harmful to our own people than has the plant itself.
Impaired driving is the same whether it is legal prescription medication or recreational drugs. There is no difference.
I feel like J.M. Smith is becoming more and more of a hypocrite every week :(
Where can I go to sign the petition..???
Yes! An effort to Legalize Marijuana is underway in Arizona. The air is filled with hope and a gulp of common sense that indeed the prohibition of marijuana needs to end. This is a monumental effort and since we are living in a Post “Citizen’s United” world we must understand what is at stake. I want to present some of the reasons why this should NOT be done in 2014 but yet wait and guarantee a victory in 2016 instead. The time and effort that goes into an endeavor such as this must be done by a full 24/7 campaign staff much like prop 203 was run. The amount of signatures needed in a State our size to be clear and easy if any issues were to arise would be around 300,000 for said initiative. In 2014 this seems grim. First it is an off season election. More than likely more nay votes would come out and vote against this initiative. It is the opinion of many professional politicians, that this will not pass and the consequences will be devastating for the whole cause.
Over half of the country wants marijuana legalized, but this process has to be done correctly in order to properly outlast the small minority that would oppose such an effort at all. In 2016 there are plans for this initiative and politically speaking it would stand a fighting chance. If Safer Arizona in fact collects the required amount of signatures in a timely fashion then most certainly more support would come out, but this seems not to be the case so far.
It's not no to legalization, it's waiting for the right timing and having the necessary funding and other professional support to pull it off. Big difference - one is simply impatience, the other, lying in wait, putting the pieces in place, and acting with purpose!
We need to be working on voter registration over the next 15 months. We need to get EVERYONE we know registered. That's the first step! If we can get some solid polling numbers, get support from national and start planting the seeds - the world has not come to an end with dispensaries - we could make some headway. In that way, we can WIN in 2016.
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