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Mike/Jethro..Whatever your real name is, quite unlike you and most losers like you, I have a life outside of facebook, Yahoo and other assorted internet trolling. I do not have time to keep running back to this thread in an attempt to educate heathens that continually admit that they are too ignorant to even understand the basics. Lets recap what you should have learned by now. 1. Pink skin, European surnames and the Kings English are NOT indigenous to this region. 2. you are nothing more than a racist right wing Tea bagger that also probably claims to be a Christian and I have quite easily and adequately exposed you as such. 3. As a descendent of a European anchor Baby you have NO right to speak about OTHER illegal immigrants as though you were somehow better than them. If you want to speak about them in a way other than as your equals, go the hell back where you belong and I will listen to you, until then your opinions or anything you feel or may think is totally irrelevant to anyone except yourself. 4. Illegal immigration started in 1492, YOU are a Bi-Product of this illegal invasion NOT the Mexican people or anyone else with brown skin. Now go back inside your trailer, brush both of your teeth, think about the reality of everything you should have learned and leave issues like Immigration and reigning in the Border Patrol abuse to folks like me. The real adults have this, I promise.
Bottom line: Do we really want millions upon millions of illegal aliens in the USA. With their reproduction rate at this rate America will be an Hispanic America by 2050 or even earlier. If you really think that at that point we will still be a world power you are sadly mistaken. I just have to look at the current Tucson crime rate to see where we are going.
We are do screwed ...but we just don't know it. (Some of us do).
Norm, there is no way you are for real. Your posts have to be from a right winger just trying to make the pro-amnesty crowd look like a bunch of crazy uneducated ignorant hatemongers. Especially after your "I shouldn't even acknowledge replies from posts containing European surnames" comment. That was Hilarious. I almost spit about my organic fair trade coffee...
If you are for real, you are too far gone to attempt a rational discussion about American's Immigration polices. It is like when two people debate on the issue of Radical Islamic Terrorists and the US's response to it. Then one person believes in the "911 was an inside job" rant. That is when I call a person a moron and realize there is no finding middle ground with the insane.
That is how I feel about your last rant.
Just to point out you did not even counterpoint my accurate depiction history of this region. I was waiting for you to mention Aztlan. Then I would have spit out my coffee..
Mike..this conversation could go on forever, it normally does when I state facts to racist fake Americans that think they belong here while displaying the utmost contempt for the people that actually do. BTW, your name is Mike?, really?..give me a break, I shouldn't even acknowledge replies from posts containing European surnames. I realize that most of you are victims of your twisted beliefs that were instilled there by generations of racist teachings, poor parenting and a downright willingness to remain ignorant. You went to a great deal of trouble to sound intelligent while spreading your misguided, disingenuous, racist banter, your dead giveaway (or at least one of them) was the ludicrous comment that all of you make "stop playing the race card' I have never known a racist that didn't immediately use this silly remark as a weak defense after he/she was properly outted/identified as what they truly are. I have been dealing with people like you since the early 60s, trust me when I say that there is nothing that you could possibly utter that I haven't heard at least a thousand times before, maybe in a different context or with a few words changed to better fit the particular group of minorities that are being attacked. I bet you even claim to be a Christian!
I actually wasn't even specifically referring to Arizona when I was speaking about you illegals, I was referring to this entire country. It doesn't matter in the least how Mexico viewed this area/state, how large or small the population of Mexicans were, or if there were disputes between different groups in Mexico. (That's the business of the Mexican Government and it's people) None of this smokescreen that you attempted to blow my way, justifies a European invasion, nor does it lend legitimacy to your erroneous claim that the decedents of the invaders (you) are the gatekeepers over the stolen land and somehow have a right to claim that the indigenous people of this region have no business on their own land.
Your silly and childlike rant is filled with references to "Americans" the U.S. etc., the very fact that you are constantly trying to pass foreign invaders and their European decedents (you) off as Americans, should in and of itself prove how twisted, misinformed and disingenuous almost everything you think and say is likely to be. In reference to your cartoonish rant of the day about how I Can get out if I have a problem with European invaders attempting to control the region, my response to you is the obvious. As a European invader on foreign soil, YOU have absolutely NO right or authority to tell anyone to go anywhere, if you cant deal with that simple truth perhaps you should sell your trailer, pack up your Willie Nelson tapes and head to the International airport. Don't forget to swing Weight Watchers and pick up your wife. As far as your racist rant against the "La Raza Studies" you have lost that battle as well, there is a well organized and highly successful movement taking place to bring MAS to every school Nationwide, not just in Arizona.
Almost every point you attempted to make about the Border Patrol is riddled with untruths, half truths and absolute lies! Not only do you NOT have a clue how background checks are conducted, how a file can lay on someone's desk for months and never even be processed, how a lack of manpower or hiring surges can effect the reliability of these processes or even that passing a background check in most instances, means absolutely nothing except that the person has never been caught or his mental instability has never piqued anyone's attention. Having been raised in a Police family (Real Ones) I am well aware of the mentality (or lack thereof) that one must possess to seriously compare a Border Guard to a real cop. (something you attempt to do all throughout your post/rant)
"I would like to know what they are doing that is "unconstitutional." Really?? You mean to tell me that a person like me who gets all of their information/education from the La Raza Studies at TUSD, can compile 3 1/3 file boxes (and growing) of documentation on these types of incidents/cases and a smart individual like you who quotes history and case law I(n a weak attempt to cover-up thousands of actual occurrences), cannot find any proof??? Have you ever shot a straight line in your life about anything? so incredibly pitiful - gotta suck to only have hate as one's companion. I am well aware of the 'Constitution Free' zones that have been set-up in our nation. none of this is applicable to my previous comments. Illegal Immigration began in 1492, Deal with it !!
Who's "homeland" are you talking about Norm? Arizona was first inhabited by the Hohokam people which might have been related to the present day O'odham nation groups. However, another theory is that the O'odham groups pushed off the Hohokam and took over this area for themselves. Are you talking about the Spanish that through their missionaries conquered this area from the O'odham? However, I am guessing you are talking about the Mexicans that through their revolution against Spain required this area. However, Mexico did not even consider this area as a state because of it very small population of Mexicans. This area was part of the Alta California Territory and even there were disputes between different groups in Mexico.
Although, this particular area was purchased by the US from Mexico through the Gadsden Purchase. Which Santa Anna basically conceded this area would have revolted sooner or later because of the large population of Americans that settled in the Southwest. So, again the only "homeland" you should be talking about is the O'odham people, which even then they could have stole it from previous native tribes. So, the US "stole" this land from Mexico. Mexico "stole" this land from Spain. Spain "stole" this land from the Sobaipuri people which probably were related to the O'odham. That is life. If you truly have an issue with how the US is the LEGAL owner of this area, get the hell out. So, get off your high horse and stop getting your information from the La Raza Studies at TUSD.
Border Patrol Agents (like most Law Enforcement) go through an extensive background check which can last over a year. When a person makes it through and gets hired, they go through a 5 month Academy and learn about the Constitution, Applied Authority and Immigration Law to conduct their job. I would like to know what they are doing that is "unconstitutional." Every part of their duties are backed by Laws, Regulations, and court cases. Their checkpoints were ruled Constitutional by the Supreme Court. Their traffic stops are based on several court cases that allow any Law Enforcement Officer to conduct a brief detention based on reasonable suspicion. Maybe before you just spew out words like "illegal and unconstitutional" you should research cases like "Terry vs. Ohio, Martinez-Fuerte vs. the US, United States v. Brignoni-Ponce, and laws like INA 287, INA 235, USC Title 19, USC Title 21.
So get off your misguided view of the "Border crossed them" crap, stop playing the race card, and pick up a history book. Maybe we should just allow the Baja Arizona crowd go a step further and give back Southern Arizona to Mexico. Then Mexico could feel bad and give it back to Spain, However, then Spain would have to give it back to the O'odham people. Then we would have to find wherever the Hohokam people went...
The only people I feel bad for are the O'odham people. However, that has NOTHING to do with how millions of people are illegally living in this country.
Got to love these people who stand on foreign soil with their pink skin, speaking the Kings English and telling the indigenous people of this continent that they don't belong here in their homeland. Don't like illegal immigrants? stop being one 1-800 FLY EUROPE, Please take your family with you. I love how the European invaders ratchet on and on about how "Hundreds of U.S Citizens fought and died to make the U.S the free country it is today".. If you want hero's shouldn't you actually be discussing how many of your European invader ancestors were lost murdering and pillaging this continent while stealing it from its rightful owners, so people like you can provide us with comedy relief as you stand here all full of yourselves claiming a land that is NOT and can NOT ever be yours. You people do realize that you are nothing more than the decedents of illegal European anchor babies, don't you?
Now getting back to the subject matter of this article. The United states Border Patrol is out of control, they have morphed into nothing more than a poorly trained, unintelligent, rogue vigilante squad. The thousands of illegal and unconstitutional actions that have taken place by this Agency and it's representatives are well documented. Since the lives of the dark skinned people who belong in this region, mean nothing to you because your imaginary border line crossed them many decades ago, Perhaps you would like to discuss the hundreds of recent abuse cases that are pending from American Citizens (yes, the fake pink ones that you so dearly love) No matter how much, disingenuous people attempt to rally behind this Rogue Agency and defend their inexcusable actions, the fact remains that there are BIG changes needed within this agency, including but not limited to.. Independent citizen monitors, congressional oversight and a total revamp of their policies, procedures, hiring standards and training. Rest assured these changes are coming and they are coming much faster than most people imagine. Excellent article by the way.
I agree with Mike. The bottom line is that people that have entered the US illegally should be deported. Try entering any other civilized country illegally and see what happens.
Heck, try to enter Mexico illegally and see what happens to you!
I have absolutely no sympathy for families that are separated because a member is deported. Take the whole family back with you. If you don't like living in your homeland, than make the changes in your society or government to make life better.
Hundreds of US Citizens fought and died to make the US the free country it is today. Just stepping across the border entitles no one to anything the US has to offer.
Hopefully, if the numbers are correct and 400,000 illegals are deported every year. Then within 10 years the majority of them will be gone.
Todd, your biased opinion on our government enforcing immigration law (which most countries do) might change if it was YOUR Social Security number that was being used illegally. Identity Theft is a huge issue in our country and a lot of it can be attributed to illegal aliens using them. Eight of the 10 states with the highest percentage of illegal aliens in their total population are among the top 10 states in identity theft (Arizona, California, Florida, Texas, Nevada, New York, Georgia, and Colorado).
If you still do not feel this is a important issue concerning illegal aliens, Can I used your Social Security number to get a loan? I promise I won't ruin your credit....
What did Law Enforcement ever do do you Todd? This is second negative leaning piece authored by you concerning law enforcement in about a month. Did you ever think of blaming people that are breaking federal law and they are the reason for the over crowded immigration prison system and not the Law Enforcement Officers, Prison Guards, and Judicial System?
Comparing our immigration laws to "Jim Crow" laws is like comparing any US president to Hitler. There is no comparison. You can disagree with our immigration laws, but comparing them to Jim Crow laws is just dumb.. I really hope your book has more balanced approach to this issue, but reading your opinion pieces in the Weekly, I will not hold my breath...
However, maybe I am overreacting to the issue of millions of people illegal entering and staying in our country. Unlawfully being present in our country is comparable to jay walking to some people. It must be the fault of our Law Enforcement Officials that they are just getting in their way....
Border Patrol: Immigrant attacks agent near Encino
Francisca was the wife of Lloyd... Lloyd's on 6th Street kept many of us fed through our years at the UA. Charlotte, the waitress, was there over 30 years. I had a couple other friends who helped serving the lunch rush... there was usually a line... and we cried when Lloyd closed the doors. The best enchiladas ever.
What a wonderful and enlightening story--to me the story of life.
Linda Ronstadt's voice is a treasure whether it be in song, spoken or written word. From a teenage fan in love fast forwarded 45 years she has been with me in my dreams, consoled me in my sorrows, made me laugh out loud with her wit and charmed me with her warmth and natural beauty. Selfishly, I hope she continues with this new found talent and takes this fan along to the end of my days. I couldn't imagine a world without Linda in it and wish to thank her for all the wonderful moments that add up to a lifetime. ronstadtfanaz
I can't wait to read the rest. Not only a personal story, but the background of life in the Old Pueblo decades ago is fascinating.
Thank you so much for this excerpt from Ms Ronstadt's book! Great reading.
As excited as I am to read Son of Gun, I was dismayed to see the memoir called a novel right below the headline.
Read Casey Tefertillers "Wyatt Earp : The Life Behind the Legend" alongside this if you want to see the man, not just the criminal.
Let's just divert the remaining puddles of the Colorado River to Southern Arizona --- let a thousand trees grow and flowers bloom --- fly fishing in the Santa Cruz river -- tubing --- fantasies ...
wow, this looks like a great book. I often wonder how we can sustain this life as it gets hotter and drier every year.
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