Could someone explain to me that if Obummer Care is so great why did Teamsters Union president Jimmy Hoffa come out blasting it. Said it would destroy the 40 hour work week and kill his member's health care benefits. Hmmmm? Dane Bitch Fan. I like that as much as my own " Pulitzer Tommy". Civility, my A%*.
Tom, Calling a politician a "bitch" for his politics IDs you and diminishes you. As to the ACA, Obama lied about its cost, application and participation. The ACA was passed through Congress with bribes, trickery and misuse of the process. The non-tax became a tax in the twisted decision of Justice Roberts and the law has been illegally modified a dozen times without Congressional participation through Executive fiat. Worse than all that, Congress and many business interests are now exempt from the mandate. Discuss issues instead of calling names.
Well it has been a long time since Tom has thrown a liberal whiney rant, I almost thought he would stop his juvenile name calling pissing, but no, he has restored my faith in him. As for "does not provide health care to all of its citizens.", what country do you live in Tom, all someone has to do to get health care is walk into any emergency room, plop thei fanny down and get treated, never intending to pay is some cases. No they don't get the Mayo clinic but they do get care. Even if they are here illegally. So who is denied care? I love these short sighted "take care of the takers" liberals who will be wondering what happened to their world in 15 years.
Ted Cruz's posturing and pontificating have but one purpose - to advance himself as the most powerful player for the Republican party's next presidential candidate. He has no moral compass or integrity, just overweening ambition.
Providing effective health care should be the same as providing police and fire protection. Injury and disease are the same as flames, thieves and murderers. When U.S. citizens are damaged by fire and crime, our police and fire departments respond. We pay taxes for police and fire protection, as we should to protect our health.
Health care for profit is a travesty. For profit health care is impossible to make effective for all citizens, because sick people are driven away to enhance profits of the health insurance corporations.
If police departments operated on a for profit basis, effective protection for all citizens would be impossible. Law enforcement agencies would refuse to help victims of crimes, unless they could pay for the cost of investigation, prosecution and incarceration. Only the rich would be able to pay the cops.
An example of a for profit fire department versus a public fire department exists in the Tucson metro area. Rural Metro provides fire protection on a subscription, for profit basis to homeowners who live in county areas. Within the city limits, the public Tucson Fire Department puts out fires. Evidence shows that Rural Metro responds to alarms with minimal equipment, while Tucson Fire shows up with effective response levels. Tucson Fire saves more lives and property per response, than Rural Metro does, because Rural Metro wants to make money and limits costs.
A public health care system should be the method we use to protect people from illness and injury in the United States, not the present for profit scheme we suffer from.
The current donnybrook in Washington DC that focuses on cancelling the Affordable Health Care Law is badly mistaken and short sighted. While that law is a far cry from a public system, it is a first step in providing effective health care for all. Our fellow citizens who are sick or injured should receive medical care without financial trauma, just like victims of crimes and fire are helped by all of us, collectively, so that when we experience the ravages of crime, fire and/or illness, our fellow citizens help us pay for the protection.
I find almost all of the comments humorous including Tom's assertions. I, too, am no fan of Cruz, but there is plenty of blame to go around for this debacle in Washington. No one is without blame or shame. I agree the ACA should be allowed to either succeed or fail on it's own merit, or lack thereof. But when one side repeatedly state they will not negotiate as Obama and Reid have done, nothing will get done. The Republicans are trying to reign in the federal government's spending frenzy and the Democrats and media are not listening. I became an Independent because I saw neither party had anything more than their self interest at heart. We, the voters are just votes and not important in the grand scheme. Maybe the best way to take back our government is to vote out every incumbent for the next four election cycles and clean Washington and Phoenix up.
Tom, I think that the incompetent and cowardly speaker of the house, John "the weeper" Boehner, deserves a special mention for rolling over when the the handful of Republican loonies blow into his ear. That is real leadership.
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So I called the 800 number and spoke with a young man who did try to help by either unlocking the account or resetting the password. He told me his system - for accessing the main system - was also down. His advice try again next week.
This isn't about unanticipated volume flooding the system, this is about incompetence and not being ready for prime time. 10 days in and the administration has egg on its face rolling out the ACA marketplace, Obama's most likely signature legislative accomplishment.
Because "they did like a master reset to the system."
I don't understand the simplest thing....Why do so many Republicans/Teaparty types go into government political positions of power, then hype the negative aspects of government, rant about smaller government, all while they enjoy taxpayer funded benefits, health care, pensions, for NOT doing their jobs. It's OK for them to collect their salaries and benefits while they closed down the government, deeming significant employees as non-essential. Yes there is government waste and excess, but perhaps their time would be better spent rectifying those transgressions of excess and corruption rather than a broad and heartless shutdown. On the Kimmel show the other night when most people were asked if the were in favor of the Affordable Care Act they responded in a great majority "YES". When asked if they were in favor of Obama-Care the same people responded "NO". Just plain ignorant....sad.
The Democrats are in the middle about voting for the individual crisis bills the Republicans are trying to pass. They are doing the correct thing in voting Yea. At least the Republicans in the next election cannot hold it against them.
Since the Koch Bros and another big fund withdrew support from the Tea Party, What a switch the Republicans have made in the past 24 hours. We all knew big money was driving the Republicans to default and close down our govt. But the push back by Wall St., big corporate executives and the banks finally got through to the Republicans. Republicans usually support these groups and was working against them. The Republicans are a lost party and will be defeat in 2014. And the nation cannot afford to elect any more Tea Party candidates to DC. They have no agenda except destruction of the USA
Hey DaneHick ... better yet, let's change that to DaneBitch ... how do you defend the fact that your liberal government voted in favor of exempting members of Congress from the ACA?
Ohhhhh, that's right, you cannot defend that, can you?
So these Democrats/Demogods believe that what's good for the country is not necessarily good enough for them.
And why don't you ask citizens of a country like Canada where "socialized medicine" exists and everyone has access to health care? They would tell you it is dreadful; People can wait up to 18 months just for a diagnosis of life threatening illnesses.
As usual, you are clueless. Be thankful I am not running your two-bit rag ... I would not employ you to deliver the paper, let alone write for it.
Good read, Tom. But for the record, the problems with the ACA website go beyond an unanticipated flood of those seeking insurance. Yogi was right and so was a comedienne the other night who described the "oops" being like 800 Flowers not anticipating so many calls on Valentines Day. But like I said, there are other problems with the site; we registered, were assigned a User Name and Pin, and immediately informed we were not recognized - an ID error. A "chat" with an ACA website expert informed us this was a continuing problem with the system. His advice - keep on trying.
BTW sent an email to Ron Barber a couple of days ago kvetching about the site and his recent brain farts - no reply.
Trotsky said it best. "You are bankrupts. Your role is played out. Go where you belong from now on - into the dustbin of history." Republicans are finished. Even with gerrymandered districts, the surviving reelected few will be a national joke for voters to laugh at. It's the same problem the libertarian party has. Run on the platform that you will not fulfill the duties you were elected to perform, thus shutting down that part of the government. Results: nobody votes for you.
"...who can tell me why they are so hellbent on denying health care to their fellow citizens" Not that I agree with them in this specific instance, but the reason is a general philosophy that you should take care of yourself. You should pay for goods and services that you receive out of your own pocket, not from government handout. You don't get free car care. No free house care either. For extra credit, explain why this particular kind of care is different and why it should be free.
I WISH TO GOD TED COULD RUN FOR PRESIDENT, HE WOULD STRAITEN OUR THIS GOD FORSAKEN COUNTRY OBAOMANATION HAS TRASHED AND AS FOR TOM, TOM WHO?
Like every good liberal, Tom loves seeing the country go bankrupt. He loves seeing millions of people unemployed permanently. He hates the idea that people should be responsible for themselves. Government is always the best solution to any problem. What a wonderful place this would be if only the we could quit harping on freedom and let government do everything.
This is an outstanding column that highlights many of the anger focus points of a majority of U.S. citizens (voters) about the government shut down and looming default on national debt.
Arizona's Democrat Representative Ron Barber (bitch) should be recalled for his vote to shut down the government, which is a betrayal of Gabby Giffords and the voters and campaign contributors who helped elect him. Remember that Gabby flew to Washington DC to vote FOR the Affordable Care Act early during her recovery from being shot. A major reason Barber won was his history as Gabby's employee. I hope Gabby withdraws her political endorsement of Barber during the next election.
Thanks for a great read, Mr. Danehy.
If Republicans really thought ACA would be a train wreck, they'd be all behind it!
"Tom reflects on the government shutdown. Spoiler: He's not a Ted Cruz fan"
Who in their right mind would be a Ted Cruz fan?
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