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Re: “My (Probably) Last Post About The LD-9 Race (But Don't Hold Me To It)

The issue of school vouchers is tough one because school choice sounds good. It makes sense to involve parents in education decisions for their children.

It is true Arizona schools are in desperate need of improvement and public education in Arizona has been sliding down hill for a number of years. It is almost like state political leaders want to close or at least limit neighborhood schools in an effort to force parents into choosing other educational options.

Real or imagined? No question funding for district schools have fallen over the past few years. Voters have not neglected schools. Over a period of time increases in funding for public schools have been mandated by the voters.

The voter mandates have been ignored by the Legislature to the point of a court order to go back and correct the underfunding by the Legislature that was approved by the citizens of Arizona in an election.

Again a temporary increase in the sales tax was approved by the voters of Arizona. Time and again special "Override tax elections" are approved by the voters in local district school budget considerations. The voters of the state have been very generous in their approval of funds for education.

Now comes the recurring question of funds for privately owned public schools vs funding for district public schools. Some look at this as elitist school selection or accomplish even wider school selection efforts by other means. We see efforts to divert state funds to all forms of private schools by vouchers.

Here are a few problems with school vouchers.

School vouchers take money away from public schools, where it is desperately needed to fund educational programs for all students. Emphasis all students.
Handicapped, learning disabilities, all students not by student selection methods used by private schools, all.

A number of private schools are religious, so through school vouchers, tax money would be going to support a religious institution, violating the separation of church and state. Not necessarily bad, but to do it properly change the State Constitution.

School vouchers are elitist and would not benefit all students equally; private schools could still turn away students and discriminate against some groups.
School vouchers would serve to further divide Arizona, while public schools help to unite it. Even pride in sport team competition unites Arizona citizens.

Wide gaps occur in what is taught. Which touches on another issue, watch out who we elect to the local district governing boards. Lots of damage to education has been a problem of many school districts across the country from school board decisions.

Private schools would just increase their tuition if vouchers were instituted, meaning they would make more money, and still turn away poor, handicapped or otherwise disadvantaged students.

Poor quality private schools would pop up to take advantage of unsuspecting families with school vouchers. No, vouchers are not the answer.

It is the political leadership of the state working with parents and educational leaders in the communities across the state to pull public education into the world as it is and prepare all young people to be able to make choices for their futures.

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Posted by hakeson on 10/28/2014 at 7:32 AM

Re: “My (Probably) Last Post About The LD-9 Race (But Don't Hold Me To It)

Your "real solutions to gun violence" is about as bogus as the day is long. That is the deal breaker. Other than that, they seem reasonably sane.

I can deal with his stupidity on personhood, and other women's rights issues,because almost all Republican legislators in this state have to deal with Cathi Herrod and her power bloc. And, most of her stupidity that actually becomes law, gets overturned by the courts anyway.

Other than that, Orr is a reasonable guy. Unlike the author of this article, I am in favor of the voucher system as it gives the poor and disadvantaged a way out, and a chance for a good education.

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Posted by lc69hunter on 10/28/2014 at 6:26 AM

Re: “Gabby Airs New Ad Targeting Martha McSally

Oh yeah, you libtards are a proven deterrent to criminal abuse of firearms. Every state, city or location that has restrictive gun laws, you will find mass murdering going on. You actually think that you can take all the firearms away from the people. I guess that the liberal left and the Nazis have a lot more in common than you think! Or the Communinsts under Mao or Stalin. They too, tried to take all the weapons and murdered millions of innocents. One thing that I can assure you, if you continue your insane agenda, you will find yourselves in the worst civil war ever recorded! And just because you won't be on the front lines in that war (probably hiding under your beds), you will be amongst the first to be a casualty of it!!

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Posted by Rick Jason on 10/28/2014 at 5:51 AM

Re: “Who Is This Grijalva Campaign Sign Thief?

I agree with you Marty. Adelita learned a lot of lessons (tricks) from her father.

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Posted by Don R Puckett on 10/28/2014 at 5:41 AM

Re: “Who Is This Grijalva Campaign Sign Thief?

Hey Mari, Let's remember that sign stealing is part and parcel of the Grijalva machine's playbook. Wasn't it Regina Romero's husband (an employee of Raul Grijalva's) who was caught with a trunkful of signs supporting a political opponent? Didn't he claim that he just found them and was on his way to return them. ROTFL.

I suspect that this incident is nothing more than a set-up to gain some favorable publicity for poor Adelita. What a coincidence that her sign was not only stolen, but there happened to be a camera at that very site. Surely, we are not expected to believe every one of her signs has a camera watching over it. The fact that the ADS and you are helping her play the victim card is not at all surprising. Personally, I think this is just a sign (no pun intended) of desperation.

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Posted by Marty on 10/28/2014 at 5:30 AM

Re: “My (Probably) Last Post About The LD-9 Race (But Don't Hold Me To It)

Thanks for the informative review of the three candidates. The problem too few people will read it. Honestly, wouldn't it be refreshing and welcome if such an editorial actually made it into all voters hands.

People across Arizona must realize we are at the crossroads in direction for Arizona. So many important issues to be faced. The correct answers, the future direction on a broad spread of meaningful programs to enhance and move the state forward are at stake this election.

The 2014 election is so close and has real meaning for years to come. From the election of the next Legislature to Public Corporation Commissioners, the leader for Public Instruction, all across the statewide elected officers the choices are quite remarkable.

Choices are as clear as the difference between forward or back, black or white. Seven days left for the voters to determine if the cream will come to the top. As voters go to the polls, is it forward or reverse? Are we to remain in this pit or with determination to improve our lot and move forward?

The one thing really remarkable, I have seen very little honest comparisons of the candidates on our ballots. Lots of negative political ads, much too much mud and no honest appraisals as we see here of the Legislative District 9.

Make no mistake the reelection of Victoria Steele and the election of Dr. Randy Friese to our two legislative positions will add much to the prospect of progressive future legislative actions.

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Posted by hakeson on 10/28/2014 at 5:21 AM

Re: “Who Is This Grijalva Campaign Sign Thief?

hell it wouldn't suprise me if hicks is paying people to steal signs if the sheer laziness he shows in teaching his classes at PCC are anything to go by.

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Posted by yami on 10/27/2014 at 11:55 PM

Re: “My (Probably) Last Post About The LD-9 Race (But Don't Hold Me To It)

RatT, that is a disgusting thing to say. As a long time pro-choice, pro back ground checks for all people woman, what you said is abhorrent!

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Posted by tiredofpc on 10/27/2014 at 10:21 PM

Re: “Who Is This Grijalva Campaign Sign Thief?

Yet, somehow one of Huppenthal's signs near my house stood for 30 days after he lost the primary.

This is a weird little city.

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Posted by Gonzo Sorcrachi on 10/27/2014 at 9:08 PM

Re: “This Week on "Zona Politics with Jim Nintzel"

Show sucks

Posted by Harlan Thomas on 10/27/2014 at 7:14 PM

Re: “Sneak Peek: Dem Gov Candidate Fred DuVal Visits "Zona Politics with Jim Nintzel"

Cancel this show sucks in more ways than one.

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Posted by Harlan Thomas on 10/27/2014 at 7:12 PM

Re: “My (Probably) Last Post About The LD-9 Race (But Don't Hold Me To It)

Mr. T, I think you've outdone yourself with that comment. I tried using all the skills I developed as an English teacher deciphering what students meant in their often-garbled writing, and I'm stumped. What the hell are you talking about?

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Posted by David Safier on 10/27/2014 at 7:06 PM

Re: “Gabby Airs New Ad Targeting Martha McSally

She'll turn Social Security into a wall street roulette wheel as soon as seniors forget what a mess was made under the last National Presidency that championed Deregulation at the cost of our middle class and working poor. She'd continue down the same road of insanity requiring "Not even a drivers license" for ammo and firearm purchases of even assault riffles and semi auto weapons. She'll continue favoring Corporations over people and tax breaks for the wealthy and their tax havens at the expense and misery of our most vulnerable including our women and children struggling from the previous 40 years of Supply Side Tricklenomics, where our local news station her in Tucson just reported Arizonans and American workers both have now realized fewer vacation and personal days off than in 40 years. "Since Reaganomics". If any of this sounds surprising to anyone ask yourself why, if like my family, we've received a tone of colorful political flyers bashing Ron Barber w little of what She intends to do for Arizonans to separate herself from the "Creators" that RUINED our national and World Economy, pre 08?

The Trick is what we got w Sub Prime, Stated Income, Income only Loans, all leading us to the Greatest Recession in Americas History. Don't let these Muppet Politicians of Wallstreet and Big Banks control the reigns once again? There was a reason she lost even so slightly in a Republican majority state. I was one of those who was registered a life long Conservative, in 07 I realized to late Americas Conservative party is a far cry from "fiscal, economic, family, conservative" ? Boo!! Marth Boo!!!

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Posted by Jon Sullivan on 10/27/2014 at 7:03 PM

Re: “The Koch Brothers-Funded Dark Money Campaign Against Terry Goddard

So Obama goes to California. We pay for the flight, security, etc., with Tax $$. They will not in their transparent administration disclose the amounts of these expenses---where he spends much of his time. Raise untold $$$ for Dems. And it isn't called 'dark money'. I guess we'd be labeled as racists if we called this activity so....

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Posted by Obamas fool on 10/27/2014 at 6:10 PM

Re: “Sneak Peek: Dem Gov Candidate Fred DuVal Visits "Zona Politics with Jim Nintzel"

The only ones that will vote for Duval are the libtards, illegals and idiots. Oh, wait, I just repeated myself.

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Posted by Rick Jason on 10/27/2014 at 5:32 PM

Re: “Gabby Airs New Ad Targeting Martha McSally

Yes, but Jesus told her to run. Who wants to argue with Jesus?

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Posted by Charles on 10/27/2014 at 5:29 PM

Re: “Who Is This Grijalva Campaign Sign Thief?

Michael Hicks, Betts Putnam-Hidalgo, and Debe Campos-Fleenor have each had a huge quantity of signs vandalized or (mostly) stolen. Many of Miguel Cuevas's signs have been knocked down and probably not all by the wind. A couple who have been active in the Democratic Party reported in mid-September that young men in a Burgundy Scion stopped on Fifth Street near Alvernon and took a Hicks sign, before turning north on Longfellow. Each of these candidates surely has a theory about the source of the vandalism, possibly similar theories.

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Posted by Mark Stegeman on 10/27/2014 at 5:18 PM

Re: “Sometimes You Just Gotta Love Tom Danehy

I don't always agree with Tom Danehy. But I'll stand up for his exercising his First Amendment Rights. Free Speech. And at least his name is on what he writes, unlike certain freepers cowering behind anonymous names. (FYI: I agree with this, the influence of good teachers stays with you for life. Sheesh, my best was 6th grade too). On the other hand, you have to be willing to LEARN, or the greatest teacher will do you no good.

Posted by Helen Gex Greer on 10/27/2014 at 5:03 PM

Re: “Who Is This Grijalva Campaign Sign Thief?

If she loses, it's not because of the number of signs she has or had...

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Posted by Logical Thinker on 10/27/2014 at 4:57 PM

Re: “The Koch Brothers-Funded Dark Money Campaign Against Terry Goddard

So what is the difference between buying a politician directly and printing your own laws and mail them in with a check? Free speech, just don't ask who is speaking

The dems have done worse things so that means we can too

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Posted by NJYD on 10/27/2014 at 3:53 PM

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